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Rose Genevieve Beguin

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Glyn

Glyn Report 27 Sep 2019 23:20

I’m trying to trace this lady. She was born in 1903 in Neufchâtel in Switzerland. After the war she moved to Jersey, and she was registered there by 1923.
She married a man surnamed Carrel from Jersey. Not sure when they married.
Any ideas where I could find out more information about her and her parents?
Thank you

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2019 23:33

Name: Rose Genevieve Carrel
Maiden Name: Beguin
Nationality: Swiss
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1903
Birth Place: Neuchatel, Switzerland
Registration Date: 6 Oct 1923
Registration Place: Jersey, Channel Islands
Reference Number: D/S/B2/21
URL: http://catalogue.jerseyheritag...

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2019 23:35

thislooks to be her coming back from Canada

Name: Rose G Carrol
Arrival Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1903
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1926
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Melita
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136367
Search Ship Database: Search for the Melita in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Travelling with:- Charles carrel

EDIT

going out

Name: Rose Carrel
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1903
Departure Date: 3 Apr 1926
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Ship Name: Melita
Search Ship Database: Search for the Melita in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number: 136367
Master: M Aikman

Travelling with Charles Carrel
Aged 25
Occupation: Farmer
Address coming from:- Annerville Farm, Goray Jersey

Country of future permanant residence:- Canada

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2019 23:36

could be related

Décédé(e)
Nom: Edwin Walter Carroll
Type d'événement: Obituary
Date de l'événement: 07 Aug 1995
Lieu de l'événement: Virginia, United States
Sexe: Male
Âge: 83
Relation avec le defunt: Deceased
Année de naissance (estimée): 1912
Date de décès: About 07 Aug 1995
Lieu du décès: Wakefield, ,
Journal: Richmond Times-Dispatch

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2019 23:38

in which case this could also be relevant

Nom: Edwin Benjamin Carroll

Type d'événement: Marriage
Date de l'événement: 03 Aug 1968
Lieu de l'événement: , Aylor, Virginia, United States
Sexe: Male
Âge: 21
Race: White
Date de naissance: 17 Dec 1946
Lieu de licence de mariage: Madison, Virginia
Nom du père: Edwin Walter Carroll

Nom de la mère: Genevieve Rose Carroll

Nom du conjoint: Barbara Elaine Kitchen

Sexe du Conjoint: Female
Conjoint Age: 19
Race de conjoint: White
Date de naissance du conjoint: 27 Jul 1949
Nom de père du conjoint: Everette Ross Kitchen

Nom de mère du conjoint: Annie Dixon Kitchen

Numéro de certificat: 68 033866

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 27 Sep 2019 23:53

Those records might refer to this person

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127881287/genevieve-rose-carroll

If the information given is correct, this person's maiden name was ROSE

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2019 23:57

So, as passenger list shows she is travelling with a Charles Carrel so looks like the other family in the States is probably not her.

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2019 23:59

Name: Rose Genevieve Carrel
Maiden Name: Bequin
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1903
Registration Date: 23 Jan 1944
Residence Place: Anneville Farm, Gorey, St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands
Description: Registration Card of Rose Genevieve Carrel, née Beqin, of Anneville Farm, Gorey, St Martin, born 06/04/1903

this shows her address in Jersey was Anneville Farm, Gorey so the travel document is her going to Canada

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Sep 2019 09:39

That sounds like her. Brilliant!
So does that mean she visited Canada, in which case Edwin is some relation?
Thanks Catherine and Gwyn

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Sep 2019 09:47

Not online yet, but her below...

Chris :)

https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=beguin&fulltext=Search

Methodist Church publications records index - B

J/C/BW1/157 - Rose Genevieve Beguin


https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Family_records


Edits (Beghin, might be another variant of Surname)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Sep 2019 10:26

Edwin Walter Carroll's wife Genevieve is NOT your Rose.

A tree on Ancestry shows the image of his 1941 marriage cert.
As Gwyn has said, Edwin's wife's maiden surname was Rose.

She was Genevieve Lewis Rose, father William L Rose, birthplace Madison county.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Sep 2019 10:47

Info re researching Swiss BMDs:

https://tinyurl.com/y2qur79w

However, I don't see her birth on FamilySearch.

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Sep 2019 10:48

That’s helpful too Chris. Thanks.
I think the Carroll lead isn’t any connection. Thank you anyway.

Apparently Rose Genevieve and Charles Carrel went to Canada to emigrate, but she was kicked by a horse which lead to gangrene and they returned to Jersey for treatment and stayed there.

I wonder if you have any ideas how I could trace Rose Genevieve and her family in Switzerland before she moved to Jersey?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Sep 2019 11:20

If you contact on below, they might be able to help with the 1903 Methodist Church reference...

Chris :)

https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Family_records

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Sep 2019 11:41

No I tried Family Search, Argyll Gran, and didn’t find her either.
Thanks Chris I’m pursuing that line, but really it’s the time before she came to Jersey and married, and her parents and siblings I’m trying to trace.
Of course much was disrupted and destroyed by the war so it may not be possible to find her parents.
There are lots of Beguins in Neuchatel but I can’t find a link to Rose Genevieve amongst them
I know you’re all much better at finding things than me, as you’ve already proved, so that’s why I’m asking for your help.
:-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Sep 2019 11:45

As it refers to a publication 1903, might be a notice, Birth/Baptism...if you're trying to find names of her Parents...

Chris :)

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Sep 2019 12:41

Can't see that this has been posted so posting in case you don't have it:-

Canada, recensement des provinces des Prairies, 1926

Nom: Charles A Carrel

Type d'événement: Census
Date de l'événement: 1926
Lieu de l'événement: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Lieu de l'événement (original): Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Sexe: Male
Âge: 25
Statut marital: Married
Race: English
Année de naissance (estimée): 1901
Lieu de naissance: England
Année d'immigration: 1926
Lien avec le chef de ménage: Head of Household
Numéro de page: 3
Foyer Rôle Sexe Âge Lieu de naissance
Charles A Carrel Head of Household Homme 25 England
Rose Y Carrel Wife Femme 24 Switzerland

...........interesting to note that under:- Language Maternelle they have both noted French

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Sep 2019 13:14

adding for ref. knowing his parents names, may help find a marriage:-

Name: Charles Carrel
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Martin
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address: Les Marrettes Faldonet Gorey Distrect, Jersey
Occupation: School
Registration district: Jersey
Registration District Number: 637
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 6/3
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 34846
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Edwin Carrel 33 - Birth Place: St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands
Anne Carrel 34 - Birth Place: Trinity, Jersey, Channel Islands
Edwin Carrel 11
Charles Carrel 9
...............................................

Name: Thomas Edwin Carrel
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1878
Marriage Date: 25 Mar 1899
Marriage Place: St Saviour, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Saviour
Search Photos: Search for 'St Saviour' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Philippe Carrel
Spouse: Anne Mary Briant

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Sep 2019 17:25

Thanks Chris and Catherine. I am trying to find the marriage certificate for Charles and Rose as it may mention Rose’s parents. They both spoke French as Charles was a native of Jersey.
The Carrel family line has been fairly easy to find through Jersey Records, but it’s the Beguin line that’s hard to find. I have nothing on Rose’s family at all.
Thanks for all your efforts to date though.
Any other ideas?

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Sep 2019 00:18

I've been looking for a marriage record, but no luck so far, sorry.

If you go to this site:-

https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110172865

you can buy a copy of Rose's Aliens registration card . It will cost £5.00 but it will give you her photo and it may give you the date of when she arrived in Jersey.

Aliens Restrictions Act. On 17th February 1920 the States of Jersey enacted the principles of the 1914 English Aliens Restrictions Act. Under the law all aliens over the age of sixteen resident in Jersey has to register with the Immigration Officer. Every alien in the Island had to register, no matter how old they were or how long they had been living in Jersey.

......................................

you can also check this out, from the same web site:-

https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110279139

I've had a look at the distorted copy and I think it is her marriage. I can make out Married on and the date of March 27th and the name Charles Alfred son of

and a few other bits but best make a request to see it properly.

[A digital image is available to view online or this item is closed because it is exempt from public access under the Freedom of Information Law. If you would like to make a request please email us.]