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You can also see the transcript and image of John and Elizabeth's marriage on FindMyPast ....... go to A-Z records, then search for the county (you don't have to type in the full name)

The image is there, and John and Elizabeth's entry is the bottom one of 3 on the right hand page ............. this presumably is why your copy does not have the parish name showing.

There is no mention of John's occupation, nor of fathers ............ just as said above.

The second witness was indeed Robert Roberts

Thank you very much for all that, I appreciate you taking time to look for me.

Sorry Sylvia, but the marriage of John and Elizabeth is the top one of three on the right hand side of the page.

One or both of them must have been under 21 at the time as the marriage was with the consent of parents.

Kath. x

Jonette is a genuine name, as a diminutive for John. I found this site, which might come in useful for other unusual names!

https://www.behindthename.com/name/jonette

Thats an interesting site, thank you, the birth entry earlier shows child is female, I wonder if being the first born they wanted to call it John after the father but as she was female they called her Jonette.

Kath .............. thanks for correcting my mistake!!

I wondered about the with the "consent of parents" ..............

I've usually assumed that means one or both was under the age of consent.

However, I've had a couple of marriages recently when both were most definitely over the age of consent. We had a discussion about this recently on another site that I am on as it seems 2 or 3 other people had found the same thing. We all had other evidence to prove that both parties were over the age of 21.

We came to the conclusion that some Vicars put with the "consent of parents" to make doubly sure that the marriage was legal!


I've now come to the conclusion that seeing "with consent of parents" can no longer let me assume that one or both parties are under age! That means ideally searching for baptism records, although finding them on 1 or more censuses 1851 or later would also help.

Deborah ..............

how old is John on the 1841 Census, remembering that ages on that census were rounded DOWN to the nearest 5?


I should also say that the 1841 Census does NOT give the birth place of anyone, it just shows where they live and whether they were born in that county or nor by "Y" or "N", in Scotland by "S", o in Ireland by "I".

Is this John in the 1851 Census???

1851 Census

John Jones
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Llancynfelyn, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llancynfelin
Ecclesiastical parish: Geneur Glyn
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwyth
Sub-registration district: Geneur
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Piece: 2486
Folio: 154
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 12

John Jones 57 Hatter
Elizabeth Jones 54 b,ca 1797, Llancynfelyn
Margaret Jones 16
William Jones 7
Isaac Jones 7



They were married in 1815 in Denio, Caernavonshire ................. so John would have been about 21, while Elizabeth would have been about 18.

In this case, then, permission of Elizabeth;s parents at least would have been required.

It would still be good to find baptisms to find their exact ages.

Yes thats him on the 1851 census. Seems fairly consistant from the census's that John Jones was born 1794.

The twins Abram and Isaac born 1843, Williams name is mis transcribed.