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I have found Ernest Herbert Herbert getting married in Frimley Surrey to a Beatrice Annie Whitnall in 1906. Ernest states he is a Corporal in the South Lancs Regiment on the certificate. Any suggestions or help relating to his military career would be appreciated
Thanks
Phil

Ernest Herbert Herbert
in the UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
Name: Ernest Herbert Herbert
Military Year: 1914-1915
Rank: Sergeant
Medal Awarded: 1914-15 Star
Regiment or Corps: Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire) Regiment
Regimental Number: 6583

Ernest Herbert Herbert
in the UK, WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Ernest Herbert Herbert
Rank: CSM
Birth Date: 1878
Residence Place: Bournemouth
Military Service Region: South West, England
Discharge Date: 25 Mar 1919
Service Number: 6583
Regiment: S. Lancs
Title: Pension Record Cards
Description: Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number: 8/MH/8354
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Ernest Herbert Herbert

He must have left the Army after he got married (1910-11-ish) , and then joined up again when war began. He had served in India for a while - see sons William and Frank's birthplace below:

Ernest Herbert
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ernest Herbert
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 55 New Road Warrington
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Time Keeper [at iron foundry ]<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Warrington
Registration District Number: 459
Sub-registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Piece: 23172
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest Herbert 35
Beatrice Herbert 27
Cecil Herbert 5
William Herbert 3 - born in India
Frank Herbert 1 - Lahore Puigaub, India


HERBERT, CECIL EDWARD mms WHITNALL
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 121


William Onslow Herbert
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: William Onslow Herbert
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1908
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1908
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Ranikhet, Bengal, India
Father: Ernest Herbert Herbert
Mother: Beatrice
FHL Film Number: 528115

A son?


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George Ernest Herbert Herbert

in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
View British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

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Name: George Ernest Herbert Herbert
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1913
Birth Place: Wood Green
Document Year: 1917
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Information Supplied By Recruit
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Ernest Herbert Self (Head)
Annie Elizabeth Bunce Spouse
George Ernest Herbert Herbert Child
Ernest Henry Herbert Child

Edit: Oops! Wrong wife.

Son Frank, as in 1911 census ??

Charles Franklin Herbert
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Charles Franklin Herbert
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1909
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1909
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Lahore, Bengal, India
Father: Ernest Herbert
Mother: Annie ????????????????? [Beatrice Annie ]
FHL Film Number: 528127

Did he marry Annie E. Bunce in 1912?


Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)

BUNCE Annie E Herbert Edmonton 3a 968
Herbert Ernest H Bunce Edmonton 3a 968

Cecil's birth is posted above.
Here's his baptism:

Cecil Edward Herbert
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Cecil Edward Herbert
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 12 Jun 1906
Baptism Place: Frimley, Surrey, England
Father: Ernest Herbert
Mother: Beatrice Herbert
FHL Film Number: 2232875

If he married Annie Bunce, that would mean he and Beatrice had separated;

??
Beatrice A Herbert
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Beatrice A Herbert
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1884
Registration Date: Oct 1954
[Nov 1954]
[Dec 1954]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 32

They remained married and had other children in Leigh Lancashire but couldn't find a death for Ernest Herbert Herbert.

Death of Frank, also in Leigh:

Charles Franklyn Herbert
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles Franklyn Herbert
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1909
Registration Date: Jan 1989
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 2130

Beatrice Annie (widowed) in 1939 with 3 of her children, and another 3 closed records (on ancestry - maybe FMP will show more of them open:


Annie Herbert
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Annie Herbert
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widow
Birth Date: 3 May 1885
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 4 Wood St Leigh
Residence Place: Leigh, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 41
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NVQA
Registration district: 460-2
Household Members:
Name
Annie Herbert
Charles F Herbert - 14 Nov 1909
Nora Herbert - 9 Nov 1913
Ernest Herbert - 26 Nov 1915

November was a busy month for birthdays in the Herbert family.

Ancestry suggests this is his death - have you investigated this one?:

Ernest H Herbert
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ernest H Herbert
Death Age: 51
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Oct 1927
[Nov 1927]
[Dec 1927]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Richmond
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 617

I have seen this death but think it is a different person

The only way to be sure is to buy a copy of the cert .


(I know there was an Ernest Henry Herbert born 1877 in Caterham.)

Thanks a lot for all your help

Is this the birth of your Ernest? 1911 says born Birkenhead.

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
Herbert Ernest Stockport 8a 34


(Just checking the year before searching further for a death.)

He gives his birth year as 1878 on military form but Stockport is a long way from Birkenhead

For INFO
Name: Ernest Herbert Herbert
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1878
Marriage Date: 11 Jun 1906
Marriage Place: Frimley, St Peter, Surrey, England
Father: Ernest Herbert
Spouse: Beatrice Whitmall
Father: Edward Whitmall

I now we're straying away from your request for military records (which, apart from what's been posted above, seem to be among the many military records which didn't survive).

However, as I gather you don't know where he was born or died, he's a challenge!
I don't see an Ernest Herbert with father Ernest, in any census record.
Nor an Ernest Herbert born 1876-9 actually in Birkenhead.

Ernest Herbert Herbert is an odd name anyway - the middle name the same as the last name.

Do you already know anything about his pre-marriage life?