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Thank you! I'll persue the line that you've found for Hannah, see if I can find something to link them :-)
Samuel seems to be being a bit of a monkey! the DoB doesn't matter to me, I know they didn't set a lot of store by birthdates and things and sometimes the census got rounded up/down, etc so as long as its within 2-3 years of his DoB I'm happy, but it could be either of them really couldn't it? It gives me something to look into though so thank you!!
Thank you so much! :-D :-D

Unfortunately also this Samuel Carr, also born Kingsley

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Union Workhouse, Lid Lane, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Carr
Relationship -
Marital status -
Sex Male
Age 9
Birth year 1842
Occupation Scholar
Birth place England
Birth town Kingsley
Birth town as transcribed Kingsley
Birth county Staffordshire
Birth county as transcribed Staffordshire
House name Union Workhouse
Street Lid Lane
Town Cheadle
Parish Cheadle
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Possibly this baptism

Staffordshire Baptisms

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Carr
Baptism year 1842
Baptism date 18 Sep 1842
Baptism place Kingsley, St Werburgh
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Maria
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1478/5
Page 151
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms

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CARR, SAMUEL WEAWALL Order
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 17 Page 41

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bunting, Kingsley, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Maria Carr Head Widow Female 40 1811 - Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Carr Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Coal Miner Kingsley, Staffordshire, England

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Staffordshire Marriages

First name(s) William
Last name Carr
Marriage year 1825
Marriage date 24 Apr 1825
Marriage place Kingsley, St Werburgh
Denomination Anglican
Residence Kingsley
Spouse's first name(s) Maria
Spouse's last name Wheawall
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Kingsley
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1478/11
Page 32
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages

original shows William is a Widower

witnesses George ?Alliner and Jane wheawall

There is this Samuel Carr in the same area, a little older than his age would suggest when he died

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Primrose House, Kingsley, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Carr Head Married Male 31 1820 Coal Miner Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Eliza Carr Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Carr Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Jane Carr Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Carr Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Kingsley, Staffordshire, England

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CARR, SAMUEL HALL Order
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 17 Page 39

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Staffordshire Marriages

First name(s) William
Last name Carr
Age Full Age
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 25 Dec 1841
Marriage place Kingsley, St Werburgh
Denomination Anglican
Residence Kingsley
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Carr
Spouse's first name(s) Eliza
Spouse's last name Hall
Spouse's age Full Age
Spouse's residence Kingsley
Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel
Spouse's father's last name Hall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1478/12
Page 23
Register type Marriage

Banns read Nov 28th, Dec 5th and 12th

From image -
Bachelor and Spinster, he was a collier, Father a Collier and
she a Lace Maker, Father a Labourer
Witnesses - Francis Bentley and Mary Carr

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Staffordshire Baptisms

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Carr
Baptism year 1842
Baptism date 28 Aug 1842
Baptism place Kingsley, St Werburgh
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1478/5
Page 151
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms

And the earlier census for Penelope Carr and family - no Samuel

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
None, Kingsley, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Carr Head Married Male 49 1802 Coal Miner Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Penelope Carr Wife Married Female 49 1802 - Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Carr Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Coal Miner Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
James Carr Son - Male 12 1839 Coal Miner Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Carr Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
George Carr Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Kingsley, Staffordshire, England

next few posts are speculation only based on area

so possibly her birth Reg. - Rochester is in the Uttoxeter RD

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

WORTHINGTON, HANNAH JACKSON Order
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in UTTOXETER Volume 17 Page 202 Order

WORTHINGTON, GEORGE JACKSON Order
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in UTTOXETER UNION Volume 17 Page 236

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which would be this marriage for parents -

Staffordshire Marriages

First name(s) James
Last name Worthington
Age Full Age
Marriage year 1842
Marriage date 17 Nov 1842
Marriage place Rocester, St Michael
Denomination Anglican
Residence Waterfall
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Worthington
Spouse's first name(s) Bessy
Spouse's last name Jackson
Spouse's age Full Age
Spouse's residence Quicksill
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Jackson
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D7204/1/5
Page 13
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages

By Licence
He's a Miner, Father joseph a Farmer
She's a Servant, Father Edward also a Farmer

witnesses - John Ratcliffe and Hannah Jackson

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1842 (>99%)
BIRCH Martha Uttoxeter 17 233
GOULD William Uttoxeter 17 233
GUANT William Uttoxeter 17 233
HARPER Edward Uttoxeter 17 233
JACKSON Bessey Uttoxeter 17 233
JACKSON Harriett Uttoxeter 17 233
LOMAS Ann Uttoxeter 17 233
WORTHINGTON James Uttoxeter 17 233

Maybe just a coincidence there is a Birch also on that marriage record and one on the 1851 census with the Worthingtons

Following on from M F G's post - this looks be the same Hannah in 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ridding, Rocester, Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Worthington Head Married Male 30 1821 Miner In Coal Journeymn Butterton, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Worthington Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Staffordshire, England
George Worthington Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Staffordshire, England
Hannah Worthington Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Rocester, Staffordshire, England
Abel Worthington Son - Male 2 1849 - Rocester, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Worthington Son - Male 1 1850 - Rocester, Staffordshire, England
Charles Birch Lodger Unmarried Male 9 1842 Ag Labr Rocester, Staffordshire, England

I wonder if this could be Hannah and interestingly there is a Penelope Carr widow further down the page.

1861 England Census

Name: Hannah Worthington
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: 1845
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Rocester, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Kingsley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Farm Servant

Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Ipstones
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 1951
Folio: 70
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
George Beardmore 42
Olive Beardmore 29
Martha Elizabeth Beardmore 6
Catherine Beardmore 5
George Beardmore 3
Anne Beardmore 1
John Beardmore 17
Joseph Goodwin 14
Mary Beardmore 17
Hannah Worthington 16

This is the family

Name: Penelope Carr
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: 1802
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wingsley, Staffordshire, England
[Kingsley, Staffordshire, England]
Civil Parish: Kingsley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Ipstones
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 1951
Folio: 70
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Penelope Carr 59 1802 Widow
James Carr 23
George Carr 18

unfortunately Mel, I'm certain that not them - John was born in 1869 - Samuel died the same year aged 23 :-(

Of the Hannah Carrs that have married, I can't find any of them that are living with a John Thomas - Carr or otherwise. Again to my mind this leaves 2 options - she either left her son to remarry or she died before 1881......but I have no idea which! :-(

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1871 Census

Name: John Carr
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name: Samuel Carr
Mother's name: Hannah Carr
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Windle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 80
Piece: 3862
Folio: 92
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Carr 35 1836 Ireland
Hannah Carr 39 1832 Ireland
John Carr 12 1859 Lancashire
Hannah Carr 9 1862 Lancashire
Ellen Curley 67 boarder 1804 Ireland

Thats him safc, the children are my husbands aunt and uncle :-)

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

24 America Street Hanley Stoke on Trent, Hanley, Staffordshire & Worcestershire, England

John Thomas Carr's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Thomas Carr Head Married Male 41 1870 Potter's Printer Longton Staff
Elizabeth Carr Wife Married Female 21 1890 - Hanley Staff
May Carr Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Hanley Staff
John Thomas Carr Son - Male 0 1911 - Hanley Staff

Yes, that is his death Mel fairy godmther :-)

I believe that that is John Carr in the 1891 census, and I believe he's still boarding with a different family (Littletons) in the 1901 census. I have him definitively in the 1911 census.

Poss death

Name: John T Carr
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: abt 1869
Registration Date: Jun 1936
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 152

I can't rememeber how I came to Hannahs age to be honest! I found it somewhere but can't remember where....

I did think she'd maybe remarried and they were all together, but I can't find them in the census as a family unit, remarried or otherwise. :-(

He is an Earth Potters Printer on the 1891 census as ErikaH said he is boarding with a Thomas Davies and his family.

This looks to be the same John Carr as in the 1881 census, born Longton

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Mays Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Davies Head Married Male 50 1841 General Railway Labourer Shropshire, England
Ann E Davies Wife Married Female 50 1841 - Staffordshire, England
Jesse Davies Son Single Male 23 1868 General Railway Labourer Staffordshire, England
John T Carr Boarder Single Male 22 1869 Potters Printer b Longton, Staffs

For our reference, is he boarding with a family named Davies in 1891?

Also, if Hannah re-married the new husband may not have been prepared to take on another man’s child

Who does John name as his father when he marries?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
CARR, JOHN THOMAS WORTHINGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 260

How do you know Hannah's age?

Depending on how the question was asked, I have seen it that a child is registered with the "maiden name" of the Mother's Mother.

and also that a maiden name was made up for respectability

or that a Mother had been previously married so her maiden name wasn't that of the name she married under.

If that is John Thomas in 1881 in the workhouse, where is he in 1871 - maybe his Mum 'remarried' or took up with someone else and they are living under that surname?
If that relationship failed for whatever reason, maybe there was no choice but the workhouse?

Have you been able to track the workhouse records, there might be more info. if you can.