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Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Oct 2018 13:56

Just to add to the probate details Andy posted previously for Miriam.

Probate was granted to Hubert Cyril Rollins, civil servant, and Alfred William Ernest Westwood, journalist.


Hubert seems to have been a relative of Miriam's

Birth
Name: Hubert C Rollins
Registration Date: 1924
Registration district: King's N
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Re-registration Year: 1924
Mother's Maiden Name: Peters<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 243

Maybe the son of her sister Beatrice? Beatrice was in census 1901 with Miriam and the family.

Beatrice first marriage?

Marriages Jun 1906
HOMESHAW Thomas Dudley 6c 147
Peters Beatrice Dudley 6c 147

Death of first husband Thomas?

Deaths Sep 1910 Homeshaw Thomas 27 W.Bromwich 6b 362

Second marriage:

Marriages Jun 1914
Homeshaw Beatrice Rollins Kings N. 6d 112
Rollins Charles H s Homeshaw Kings N. 6d 112


Not sure who Alfred Westwood was.


1911 census:

Name
Alfred William Ernest Westwood
Mother
Susanah Leyton Westwood
Father
Ernest Westwood
Birth
Langley Green Worcestershire abt 1910
Residence
Oldbury Staffordshire England 02 Apr 1911

Birth:

WESTWOOD, ALFRED WILLIAM ERNEST SMITH
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 780 Order


Marriages Jun 1910
SMITH Susannnah Leighton Stourbridge 6c 175
WESTWOOD Ernest Stourbridge 6c 175

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 25 Oct 2018 03:52

No married women were allowed to be teachers until a new act was passed in 1919, maybe that's why she never married until she was 32yrs old.
Could have been slightly demoted after her marriage, as the new law had only just been passed

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Oct 2018 00:58

Was ' Mrs Butler' in the poem below, 'your' Miriam??? it seems according to the article below Allan Ahlberg did attend The Good Shepherd, but maybe it's just a coincidence...he was born in 1938.
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"Allan Ahlberg, 68, is the author of The Jolly Postman trilogy, which was illustrated by his late wife Janet and sold over five million copies. Other books include Peepo!, Burglar Bill, Each Peach Pear Plum and Please Mrs Butler. What's In The Book?, an exhibition of their work, is currently showing at Seven Stories, Lime Street, Newcastle upon Tyne. The Runaway Dinner is out now

I was adopted and grew up in Oldbury, in the Black Country. I went to a number of primary schools as my mother moved us several times; she was trying to get us into a house with an indoor toilet and bathroom. If you were a poor, working-class family - this sounds like something from Monty Python! - you put a notice in a newsagent's window and, if the landlords agreed, swapped with a family who wanted your house. It took her four houses, and by then I was 10.

My first primary school was The Good Shepherd; then I went to Tabernacle Street Primary, and, at seven, ended up in Rood End Primary. The classes there were big: 40 or 50, and the teaching pretty formal. I was quite dreamy and my reports always stated that I could do better. It didn't happen to me often, but if you were sent to the headmaster, he would take out a bamboo cane with one end burnt black to harden it, and bring it down on the tips of your fingers."

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Please Mrs Butler

Please Mrs Butler
This boy Derek Drew
Keeps copying my work, Miss.
What shall I do?

Go and sit in the hall, dear.
Go and sit in the sink.
Take your books on the roof, my lamb.
Do whatever you think.

Please Mrs Butler
This boy Derek Drew
Keeps taking my rubber, Miss.
What shall I do?

Keep it in your hand, dear.
Hide it up your vest.
Swallow it if you like, my love.
Do what you think is best.

Please Mrs Butler
This boy Derek Drew
Keeps calling me rude names, miss.
What shall I do?

Lock yourself in the cupboard, dear.
Run away to sea.
Do whatever you can, my flower.
But don’t ask me.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Oct 2018 00:10

If you look at 8 Grosvenor Road Oldbury on https://www.instantstreetview.com/

as per the address Andy found on the probate record he posted, it comes up with a bungalow....

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 24 Oct 2018 23:48

She registered in 1920, so I think the 1919- was only to the time she registered (1920) , she may or may not have stayed put or gone on to other things.

I wondered whether either men returning from war, or her marriage affected her 'demotion' from headmistress.

There was only the one entry on the Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948 for her, for when she registered in 1920, so no entry for 1948 to check out.

AndyTG

AndyTG Report 24 Oct 2018 23:27

This may confirm it in Governors minutes 1944-1948

Rounds Green Good Shepherd Church of England School, Oldbury
Ref No: ES-OG
Repository: Sandwell Community History and Archives Service
Date: 1944 - 1996
Creator: Rounds Green Good Shepherd Church of England School
Description: ES-OG/1 Signed Governors' Minutes (1944-1967) ES-OG/2 Headmaster's Papers (1951-1961) ES-OG/3 Log Books (1903-1978) ES-OG/4 Admission Registers (1969-1996)
Admin History: The Good shepherd school closed in 1971, and was replaced with Whiteheath Church of England Junior and Infants School. This in turn amalgumated with St James Church of England School in 1999 to establish St James Primary School.
Extent: 9 files and 6 volumes
Level: Fonds
Tags: Schools

For more information contact: Sandwell Archives

AndyTG

AndyTG Report 24 Oct 2018 22:52

That looks good, no idea how you found quick rise to Head Mistress & Mistress In Charge. More ticks in box.

Could this summary mean she was Mistress in Charge up to 1948? at approx. 61 years old? One of those now could she have divorced/separated but used Peters. No-idea working that one out need the class of 1948? Pinged Margaret's daughter and asked her to ask her mum if she knew of the school. May hear later tomorrow?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 24 Oct 2018 22:44

The image says Miriam Butler nee Peters.

Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948

First name(s) Miriam
Last name Butler
Alternative last name Peters<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sex Female
Residence Oldbury, Worcestershire
Country England & Wales
First position year 1905
Registration year 1920
Entry type 0
Record set Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948
Category Education & work
Subcategory Occupations
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Butler, Miriam, nee Peters.

Date of registration 1st Aug 1920.

Assistant Mistress
Good Shepherd School, Oldbury. 1905-1915;

Mistress in Charge
Good Shepherd Infant's School, Oldbury 1915-1917;

Head Mistress
Good Shepherd School, Oldbury 1917-1919;

Mistress in Charge
Good Shepherd Infant's School, Oldbury 1919-

EDIT: Registration no was 46703

Attainments: Board of Education Certificate.

AndyTG

AndyTG Report 24 Oct 2018 22:43

Thank you for the looks to date as the life story summary is from Harry Fields daughter, Margaret Field who is 89 years young, It may not be perfect. Some how I found on search Teachers Registration 1914-1948 Miriam Peters Year 1920, address Oldbury, first position 1905, alternative Name Butler. Lets hope she was the sweetheart not Margaret's headteacher. But ticks a number of boxes.

Dea

Dea Report 24 Oct 2018 21:53

Connected ???

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

4 Salop St Oldbury, Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
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Wilfred Zenas Peters's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Wilfred Peters Head Married Male 23 1888 Annealler Tube Brades Village Stafford
Lucy Peters Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Oldbury Worcester
Wilfred Zenas Peters Son Single Male 1 1910 - Oldbury Worcester

Dea x

malyon

malyon Report 24 Oct 2018 21:47


Miriam Peterson
England and Wales Census, 1911

Name: Miriam Peterson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Cardiff, , Glamorganshire, Wales
County: Glamorganshire
Parish: Cardiff
Sub-District: West Cardiff
Registration District: Cardiff
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Marital Status: SINGLE
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Birth Year (Estimated): 1891
Birthplace: Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Line: 2
Page: 1
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Mary Jane Peterson Wife Female 47 Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Miriam Peterson Daughter Female 20 Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Stanley Milburn Son-in-law Male 26 Whitby, Yorkshire
Ulrica Selina Milburn Daughter Female 23 Cardiff, Glamorganshire
John Peterson Milburn Grandson Male 0 Cardiff, Glamorganshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Oct 2018 21:45

Possible death for her?


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) MIRIAM
Last name BUTLER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1887
Age 79
Death quarter 2
Death year 1966
District West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Volume 9B
Page 730


and her marriage.


England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Miriam
Last name Peters
Name note -
Age 32
Marriage year 1920
Marriage date 1920
Marriage place Clent
Father's first name(s) Zenas
Father's last name Peters
Spouse's first name(s) Harry
Spouse's last name Butler
Spouse's age 380000
Spouse's birth year 1882
Spouse's birth date 1882
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Butler
Residence Clent, Worcestershire, England
County Worcestershire

Andrew

Andrew Report 24 Oct 2018 21:45

Death and Probate


Deaths Jun 1966 (>99%)
BUTLER MIRIAM 79 W BROMWICH 9B 730

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995


Name: Miriam Butler
Death Date: 10 May 1966
Death Place: Worcestershire, Worcester, England
Probate Date: 1 Jul 1966
Registry: Birmingham, England

Address 8 Grosvenor Road, Langley Green, Oldbury - just off Causeway Green Road!

Andy

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Oct 2018 21:42

No idea if this may be her but she is a schoolteacher.

1911 Census For England & Wales

1 Shropshire Street, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England

Lenas Peters Head Married Male 64 1847 Shopkeeper Worcestershire Oldbury
Caroline Peters Wife Married Female 49 1862 Assisting In Business Staffordshire Old Hill
>>Mariam Peters Daughter Single Female 24 1887 School Teacher Staffordshire Rowley
Leonard Peters Son Single Male 21 1890 Heating Tubes Staffordshire Rowley
Stephen Peters Son Single Male 16 1895 Labourer For Tubes Staffordshire Rowley
Lenas Peters J Son Single Male 13 1898 Grocer's Errand Boy Staffordshire Rowley



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

24, Albion Street, Rowley Regis, Dudley, Staffordshire, England

Zenas Peters Head Married Male 54 1847 Anvil & Vice Maker Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Caroline Peters Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Cradley, Staffordshire, England
Beatrice Peters Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Dressmaker Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Miriam Peters Daughter - Female 14 1887 Monitress Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Wilfred Peters Son - Male 13 1888 Warehouse Boy (Steel Works) Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Leonard Peters Son - Male 11 1890 - Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Stephen Peters Son - Male 6 1895 - Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Zenas Peters Son - Male 3 1898 - Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England



She did marry though.

Butler Household (2 People) 8 Barnford Road , Oldbury M.B., Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Miriam Butler 23 Sep 1886 Female School Teacher (Elementary) Married 290 2
Harry Butler 21 Dec 1851 Male Carpenter Married 290 1

Dea

Dea Report 24 Oct 2018 21:40

That looks more like it Andy !!

Dea x

Andrew

Andrew Report 24 Oct 2018 21:38

Another possible??


Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%)
Butler Harry Peters Bromsgrove 6c 417
Peters Miriam Butler Bromsgrove 6c 417


1939 England and Wales Register


Name: Miriam Butler
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1886
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 8.
Residence Place: Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Occupation: School Teacher (Elementary
Schedule Number: 290
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: QJLJ
Registration district: 373A. 1.
Inferred Spouse: Harry Butler
Household Members:
Name
Harry Butler
Miriam Butler


Address is 8 Barnfield road Oldbury

Andy

malyon

malyon Report 24 Oct 2018 21:38

her birth

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Peterson Miriam Cardiff 11a 340

malyon

malyon Report 24 Oct 2018 21:35

Miriam Peterson
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

birth: 19 December 1890
death registration: 1978 South Glamorgan, Glamorganshire, Wales

Kay????

Kay???? Report 24 Oct 2018 21:32

in the 1939 England and Wales Register
View 1939 England and Wales Register
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Name: Miriam Peterson
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1890
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 50
Residence Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Occupation: School teacher
Schedule Number: 244
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: XGRC
Registration district: 588/3.

Note spelling of surname, Peterson.as opposed to Peters.

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malyon

malyon Report 24 Oct 2018 21:08

are you sure she never married