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AndyTG
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24 Oct 2018 20:57 |
My profile picture is of William Field 1890-1917. After 5.5 years made contact with his brother Harry's descendants. They have re found his 1914-1915 WW1 diary and copying it for me know. But got this yesterday
"Something I have learnt from mom is that William had a sweetheart called Miriam Peters. Bessie & Harry visited her in later years – she never married. Apparently became a Head Teacher at a school somewhere in Sandwell. When retired she lived in a bungalow in Causeway Green in Oldbury."
I would love to add my 1st sweetheart ?? to the family tree, but struggling finding her or a clear death record in Oldbury/West Brom. As a head teacher has anybody idea of search's for Head teachers assuming she would have retired 1950s?
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malyon
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24 Oct 2018 21:08 |
are you sure she never married
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24 Oct 2018 21:32 |
in the 1939 England and Wales Register View 1939 England and Wales Register Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Miriam Peterson Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Birth Date: 19 Dec 1890 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 50 Residence Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Occupation: School teacher Schedule Number: 244 Sub Schedule Number: 4 Enumeration District: XGRC Registration district: 588/3.
Note spelling of surname, Peterson.as opposed to Peters.
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24 Oct 2018 21:35 |
Miriam Peterson England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
birth: 19 December 1890 death registration: 1978 South Glamorgan, Glamorganshire, Wales
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malyon
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24 Oct 2018 21:38 |
her birth
Births Mar 1891 (>99%) Peterson Miriam Cardiff 11a 340
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Andrew
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24 Oct 2018 21:38 |
Another possible??
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%) Butler Harry Peters Bromsgrove 6c 417 Peters Miriam Butler Bromsgrove 6c 417
1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Miriam Butler Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 23 Sep 1886 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 8. Residence Place: Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Occupation: School Teacher (Elementary Schedule Number: 290 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: QJLJ Registration district: 373A. 1. Inferred Spouse: Harry Butler Household Members: Name Harry Butler Miriam Butler
Address is 8 Barnfield road Oldbury
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Dea
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24 Oct 2018 21:40 |
That looks more like it Andy !!
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alviegal
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24 Oct 2018 21:42 |
No idea if this may be her but she is a schoolteacher.
1911 Census For England & Wales
1 Shropshire Street, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Lenas Peters Head Married Male 64 1847 Shopkeeper Worcestershire Oldbury Caroline Peters Wife Married Female 49 1862 Assisting In Business Staffordshire Old Hill >>Mariam Peters Daughter Single Female 24 1887 School Teacher Staffordshire Rowley Leonard Peters Son Single Male 21 1890 Heating Tubes Staffordshire Rowley Stephen Peters Son Single Male 16 1895 Labourer For Tubes Staffordshire Rowley Lenas Peters J Son Single Male 13 1898 Grocer's Errand Boy Staffordshire Rowley
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
24, Albion Street, Rowley Regis, Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Zenas Peters Head Married Male 54 1847 Anvil & Vice Maker Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Caroline Peters Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Cradley, Staffordshire, England Beatrice Peters Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Dressmaker Dudley, Worcestershire, England Miriam Peters Daughter - Female 14 1887 Monitress Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Wilfred Peters Son - Male 13 1888 Warehouse Boy (Steel Works) Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Leonard Peters Son - Male 11 1890 - Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Stephen Peters Son - Male 6 1895 - Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Zenas Peters Son - Male 3 1898 - Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
She did marry though.
Butler Household (2 People) 8 Barnford Road , Oldbury M.B., Worcestershire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Miriam Butler 23 Sep 1886 Female School Teacher (Elementary) Married 290 2 Harry Butler 21 Dec 1851 Male Carpenter Married 290 1
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24 Oct 2018 21:45 |
Death and Probate
Deaths Jun 1966 (>99%) BUTLER MIRIAM 79 W BROMWICH 9B 730
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Miriam Butler Death Date: 10 May 1966 Death Place: Worcestershire, Worcester, England Probate Date: 1 Jul 1966 Registry: Birmingham, England
Address 8 Grosvenor Road, Langley Green, Oldbury - just off Causeway Green Road!
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alviegal
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24 Oct 2018 21:45 |
Possible death for her?
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription Print View image Add to tree First name(s) MIRIAM Last name BUTLER Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1887 Age 79 Death quarter 2 Death year 1966 District West Bromwich County Staffordshire Volume 9B Page 730
and her marriage.
England Marriages 1538-1973
First name(s) Miriam Last name Peters Name note - Age 32 Marriage year 1920 Marriage date 1920 Marriage place Clent Father's first name(s) Zenas Father's last name Peters Spouse's first name(s) Harry Spouse's last name Butler Spouse's age 380000 Spouse's birth year 1882 Spouse's birth date 1882 Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Butler Residence Clent, Worcestershire, England County Worcestershire
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malyon
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24 Oct 2018 21:47 |
Miriam Peterson England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Miriam Peterson Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Event Place: Cardiff, , Glamorganshire, Wales County: Glamorganshire Parish: Cardiff Sub-District: West Cardiff Registration District: Cardiff Gender: Female Age: 20 Marital Status: SINGLE Occupation: SCHOLAR Birth Year (Estimated): 1891 Birthplace: Cardiff, Glamorganshire Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Line: 2 Page: 1 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Mary Jane Peterson Wife Female 47 Cardiff, Glamorganshire Miriam Peterson Daughter Female 20 Cardiff, Glamorganshire Stanley Milburn Son-in-law Male 26 Whitby, Yorkshire Ulrica Selina Milburn Daughter Female 23 Cardiff, Glamorganshire John Peterson Milburn Grandson Male 0 Cardiff, Glamorganshire
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24 Oct 2018 21:53 |
Connected ???
Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales
4 Salop St Oldbury, Oldbury, Worcestershire, England What can I do with this record? View an image of this record We will use the details from this record to create your family tree for you Report a transcription error. Wilfred Zenas Peters's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Wilfred Peters Head Married Male 23 1888 Annealler Tube Brades Village Stafford Lucy Peters Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Oldbury Worcester Wilfred Zenas Peters Son Single Male 1 1910 - Oldbury Worcester
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AndyTG
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24 Oct 2018 22:43 |
Thank you for the looks to date as the life story summary is from Harry Fields daughter, Margaret Field who is 89 years young, It may not be perfect. Some how I found on search Teachers Registration 1914-1948 Miriam Peters Year 1920, address Oldbury, first position 1905, alternative Name Butler. Lets hope she was the sweetheart not Margaret's headteacher. But ticks a number of boxes.
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Kucinta
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24 Oct 2018 22:44 |
The image says Miriam Butler nee Peters.
Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948
First name(s) Miriam Last name Butler Alternative last name Peters<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sex Female Residence Oldbury, Worcestershire Country England & Wales First position year 1905 Registration year 1920 Entry type 0 Record set Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948 Category Education & work Subcategory Occupations Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Butler, Miriam, nee Peters.
Date of registration 1st Aug 1920.
Assistant Mistress Good Shepherd School, Oldbury. 1905-1915;
Mistress in Charge Good Shepherd Infant's School, Oldbury 1915-1917;
Head Mistress Good Shepherd School, Oldbury 1917-1919;
Mistress in Charge Good Shepherd Infant's School, Oldbury 1919-
EDIT: Registration no was 46703
Attainments: Board of Education Certificate.
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AndyTG
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24 Oct 2018 22:52 |
That looks good, no idea how you found quick rise to Head Mistress & Mistress In Charge. More ticks in box.
Could this summary mean she was Mistress in Charge up to 1948? at approx. 61 years old? One of those now could she have divorced/separated but used Peters. No-idea working that one out need the class of 1948? Pinged Margaret's daughter and asked her to ask her mum if she knew of the school. May hear later tomorrow?
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AndyTG
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24 Oct 2018 23:27 |
This may confirm it in Governors minutes 1944-1948
Rounds Green Good Shepherd Church of England School, Oldbury Ref No: ES-OG Repository: Sandwell Community History and Archives Service Date: 1944 - 1996 Creator: Rounds Green Good Shepherd Church of England School Description: ES-OG/1 Signed Governors' Minutes (1944-1967) ES-OG/2 Headmaster's Papers (1951-1961) ES-OG/3 Log Books (1903-1978) ES-OG/4 Admission Registers (1969-1996) Admin History: The Good shepherd school closed in 1971, and was replaced with Whiteheath Church of England Junior and Infants School. This in turn amalgumated with St James Church of England School in 1999 to establish St James Primary School. Extent: 9 files and 6 volumes Level: Fonds Tags: Schools
For more information contact: Sandwell Archives
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Kucinta
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24 Oct 2018 23:48 |
She registered in 1920, so I think the 1919- was only to the time she registered (1920) , she may or may not have stayed put or gone on to other things.
I wondered whether either men returning from war, or her marriage affected her 'demotion' from headmistress.
There was only the one entry on the Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948 for her, for when she registered in 1920, so no entry for 1948 to check out.
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Kucinta
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25 Oct 2018 00:10 |
If you look at 8 Grosvenor Road Oldbury on https://www.instantstreetview.com/
as per the address Andy found on the probate record he posted, it comes up with a bungalow....
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Kucinta
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25 Oct 2018 00:58 |
Was ' Mrs Butler' in the poem below, 'your' Miriam??? it seems according to the article below Allan Ahlberg did attend The Good Shepherd, but maybe it's just a coincidence...he was born in 1938. __________________________________________________
"Allan Ahlberg, 68, is the author of The Jolly Postman trilogy, which was illustrated by his late wife Janet and sold over five million copies. Other books include Peepo!, Burglar Bill, Each Peach Pear Plum and Please Mrs Butler. What's In The Book?, an exhibition of their work, is currently showing at Seven Stories, Lime Street, Newcastle upon Tyne. The Runaway Dinner is out now
I was adopted and grew up in Oldbury, in the Black Country. I went to a number of primary schools as my mother moved us several times; she was trying to get us into a house with an indoor toilet and bathroom. If you were a poor, working-class family - this sounds like something from Monty Python! - you put a notice in a newsagent's window and, if the landlords agreed, swapped with a family who wanted your house. It took her four houses, and by then I was 10.
My first primary school was The Good Shepherd; then I went to Tabernacle Street Primary, and, at seven, ended up in Rood End Primary. The classes there were big: 40 or 50, and the teaching pretty formal. I was quite dreamy and my reports always stated that I could do better. It didn't happen to me often, but if you were sent to the headmaster, he would take out a bamboo cane with one end burnt black to harden it, and bring it down on the tips of your fingers."
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Please Mrs Butler
Please Mrs Butler This boy Derek Drew Keeps copying my work, Miss. What shall I do?
Go and sit in the hall, dear. Go and sit in the sink. Take your books on the roof, my lamb. Do whatever you think.
Please Mrs Butler This boy Derek Drew Keeps taking my rubber, Miss. What shall I do?
Keep it in your hand, dear. Hide it up your vest. Swallow it if you like, my love. Do what you think is best.
Please Mrs Butler This boy Derek Drew Keeps calling me rude names, miss. What shall I do?
Lock yourself in the cupboard, dear. Run away to sea. Do whatever you can, my flower. But don’t ask me.
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Elizabeth
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25 Oct 2018 03:52 |
No married women were allowed to be teachers until a new act was passed in 1919, maybe that's why she never married until she was 32yrs old. Could have been slightly demoted after her marriage, as the new law had only just been passed
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