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Ellen Ashbrook nee Groves born 1854

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malyon

malyon Report 16 Sep 2018 13:02

this looks like richards birth but mother is ashbrook could this be a brother of sarah's child married to a ashbrook sister of george


GREGORY, RICHARD ASHBROOKE - Order
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 254

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2018 13:04

Malyon his christian names on that registration were "Richard Ashbrooke", there was no mmn on the GRO index - and his surname was Gregory - so Sarah's child before she married George.

Janette

Janette Report 16 Sep 2018 13:09

thank you every one for your help

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Sep 2018 13:10

Actually I think that birth is of Richard Gregory with middle name Ashbrooke denoting father's name. The Ashbrooke is not mother's maiden name.

Edit: Sorry, Flip, I see that you already explained that.

malyon

malyon Report 16 Sep 2018 13:10

this is the birth or george

ASHBROOKE, GEORGE GROVES Order
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 238

malyon

malyon Report 16 Sep 2018 13:17

margaretm you are right about the birth of richard gregory is mother maiden name

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 14:10

Baptism of Jesse in case it hasn't been posted:

First name(s) Jessey
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Male
Birth year 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 09 Sep 1879
Place Delamere
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

On the image the 'y' has been crossed out leaving 'Jesse'

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 14:15

Baptism of Richard:

First name(s) Richard Ashbrook
Last name Gregory
Gender Male
Birth year 1880
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 04 Apr 1880
Place Weaverham
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's last name Ashbrook<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Sarah<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's last name Gregory<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Image says illeg son of - next box has Sarah Gregory's name.Transcriber must have taken father's last name of Ashbrook from Richard's forenames Richard Ashbrook, as parentage isn't spelt out.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 14:24

Baptisms for other children of George and Ellen:

First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Female
Birth year 1872
Baptism year 1872
Baptism date 03 Nov 1872
Place Knutsford, St John the Baptist
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911

First name(s) William
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Male
Birth year 1873
Baptism year 1873
Baptism date 19 Oct 1873
Place Delamere
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Female
Birth year 1873
Baptism year 1873
Baptism date 19 Oct 1873
Place Delamere
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Male
Birth year 1876
Baptism year 1876
Baptism date 31 Dec 1876
Place Delamere
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911

First name(s) George
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Male
Birth year 1876
Baptism year 1876
Baptism date 31 Dec 1876
Place Delamere
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Male
Birth year 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 05 Jan 1879
Place Delamere
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ashbrook
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

malyon

malyon Report 16 Sep 2018 14:29

Kucinta

so jessie died same time as ellen i posted their deaths how very sad so young

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 14:31

Burial for Jesse - aged 3 weeks.

First name(s) Jesse
Last name Ashbrooke
Gender Unknown
Age 3
Birth year 1879
Death year -
Burial year 1879
Burial date 02 Oct 1879
Place Delamere
Residence Oakmere
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 2 p 29
Record group Part 1 - 1
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Burials 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)

Age at death on image of register is 3 weeks.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 14:33

Judging by date of burial, Ellen probably did die as a result of childbirth, passing about 3 weeks before the death of baby Jesse, as Malyon says, so sad, so young.

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Ashbrooke
Gender Female
Age 26
Birth year 1853
Death year -
Burial year 1879
Burial date 14 Sep 1879
Place Delamere
Residence Oakmere
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 2 p 29
Record group Part 1 - 1
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Burials 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Parish Burials

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 14:55

Baby Alfred died aged just two weeks - looks like baby Jesse was almost certainly premature:

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Ashbrook
Gender Male
Age 2 (weeks on image)
Birth year 1879
Death year -
Burial year 1879
Burial date 12 Jan 1879
Place Delamere
Residence Oakmere
County Cheshire
Country England

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 15:04

Looks like Margaret and William were twins:

ASHBROOKE, MARGARET GROVES
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in NORTHWICK Volume 08A Page 227

ASHBROOKE, WILLIAM GROVES
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in NORTHWICK Volume 08A Page 227

Not so Samuel and George, though they were baptised on the same day (31 Dec 1876)

ASHBROOKE, GEORGE GROVES
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 238


ASHBROOKE, SAMUEL GROVES
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 240

malyon

malyon Report 16 Sep 2018 15:30

jessie and alfred were twins

Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
Ashbrooke Alfred Northwich 8a 255 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
Ashbrooke Jesse Northwich 8a 255

Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
ASHBROOKE, ALFRED GROVES Order
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 255

not sure about them being twins different birth quarter's if alfred was born in january then ellen could have fell pregnant again and had jessie

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2018 16:32

Alfred was baptised in Jan 1879 and died aged 2 weeks, Jesse baptised mid Sept 1879 and died aged 3 weeks, so definitely not twins. I suspect Jesse was at least a bit premature.

malyon

malyon Report 16 Sep 2018 17:24

how sad both dying and ellen

Janette

Janette Report 18 Sep 2018 15:00

HI hank you for all your help.was wondering if you could help me again did George Groves born 1853 and Sarah Gregory have another child called Jessica ann Ashbrook born 1884 and married John Farr.thank you

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Sep 2018 20:35

I have been unable to find Jessica's birth on freebmd or GRO - Maybe I'm just having a bad day?

EDIT: Oops, found her.

Name: Jessie Ann Ashbrook
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Northwich
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 238

ASHBROOK, JESSIE ANN GREGORY
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 238

There is a Jessie A. with the family in 1891. The only baptism I can find for any of the children is one for Mary Jane.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Snelsons Cottages, Chester Road, Oakmere, Northwich, Cheshire, England

George Ashbrook Head Married Male 38 1853 Agricultural Labourer Cheshire, England
Sarah Ashbrook Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Cheshire, England
Richard Ashbrook Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Cheshire, England
Mary Jane Ashbrook Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Cheshire, England
*****Jessie A Ashbrook Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Cheshire, England
Emma A Ashbrook Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Cheshire, England
John Ashbrook Son - Male 2 1889 - Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Ellen Ashbrook Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Cheshire, England

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Sep 2018 20:45

Jessie in 1901 working as a servant:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Newton, Newton by Frodsham, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

Henry Faulkner Head Married Male 39 1862 Farmer Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Faulkner Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Flintshire, Wales
Henry Faulkner Son Single Male 13 1888 - Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Hilda Faulkner Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Annie Faulkner Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Kingsley, Cheshire, England
John Faulkner Son Single Male 8 1893 - Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Alice Faulkner Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Albert Faulkner Son Single Male 5 1896 - Newton, Cheshire, England
Hannah Faulkner Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Newton, Cheshire, England
***********Jessie Ashbrook Servant Single Female 17 1884 General Servant (Domestic) Gorstage, Cheshire, England
Frederick Parker Servant Single Male 23 1878 Teams Man On Farm Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Charles W Hulse Servant Single Male 17 1884 Herdsman On Farm Overton, Cheshire, England

and also in 1911:

1911 Census For England & Wales

127 King Street Knutsford, Knutsford, Cheshire, England

Eleanora Lucy Cutter Head Widow Female 55 1856 - Capesthorne Cheshire
Aubrey Claxton Cutter Son Single Male 35 1876 Life Assurance Inspector Of Agencies Knutsford Cheshire
Alfred Christopher Cutter Son Single Male 28 1883 Solicitor Knutsford Cheshire
Nora Cutter Daughter Single Female 25 1886 - Knutsford Cheshire
Geoffrey Roland Cutter Son Single Male 19 1892 Clerk In Life Assurance Office Knutsford Cheshire
**********Jessie Ann Ashbrook Servant Single Female 26 1885 General Servant Domestic Gorstage Nr Northwich Cheshire