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Carly- the only sister I can see with surname Hall and mother's maiden name Hiom is Emily b1920.

Sampson's mother was young enough to have children with her Husband, Thomas George Kay- but I don't see any children registered.

The Samson Maynard listed at 562 Caledoinian Road died in 1922- so would not have had a child a lot younger than Sampson Hall.

It might be possible that husands Thomas G Kay or Arthur J Poyton had other children- although again I'm not seeing any connection with a Rachel/ Rachael and those surnames.

Where did you get the name Rachel M and Archie from?

According to the 1911 census, Samson Maynard and his wife were childless.

Another thread started -

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1373817?jump=1373817

From the original request on page one of this thread

His name Sampson Maynard Hall, no father on birth cert 1917. Would like to know any siblings he had. His father was Walter Hall

Sorry, but I can't make sense of the above...........................what am I missing?

ErikaH- reading the thread makes it clear.

Emily Hiom married Walter Hall- she had child Sampson in 1917, but Walter was not listed on the birth certificate (presumably as he wasn't the father). Emily later married Thomas Kay in 1928, and married again in 1945 to Arthur Poyton.

Carly had thought that Sampson had a younger sister called Rachel, but we are struggling to find her. The only sister found was Emily born 1920 who married William Warne.

Sorry guys ill keeps posts here i didnt realise it was better....
info to update you all....

Sampson maynard senior was married to louisa cracknell jones who died in 1914...he met emily hiom and had a son named sampson maynard hall, registered at 562 caledonian road, holloway, middlesex in 1917.

So, with your help it looks like Sampson Maynard senior was Sampson Maynard Halls bio father. I really cant thank you enough. Im trying to get as much info for my dad as he collapsed the other day and has alot of unaswered questions with his family histoy.

Would anyone be so kind as to search above address to see how long the MAYNARDS occupied a residence.... ( i have been given 1919,1920,1921 as sampson maynard senior livng there alone but i would like any other years too if possible showing other occupants would be great to as i am at a bit of a stand still.

My Grand father has the address on his birth cert (1917) i am trying to find his sister rachel :-(

Thanks AustinQ....
When was the marriage with thomas george kay ? Seems she had a few making it harder to track ....

The Sampson Maynard listed at 562 Caledoinian Road died in 1922- sems to of had more from what my auntie and father tell me, hence the names they gave rachel and archie, recently i was given stanley too?? Rachel wouldve been younger than sampson but im not sure exactly how much younger....

Early on i was assuming rachel/rachael surname wouldve been the same .... before findin the later children and names and husbands now invovlved....jheeeze... thank you so much for your time...

Rootgatherer thank you for that info, i guess i can tick that name off then....

thanks again AustinQ ifor those marriage years.... maybe they did have kids i will try check it out... thanks again..

He wasn't there in 1914, but is recorded there from 1919 till he died, as per info already found for you

Not sure that records are available for the War years

Marriages will be on freebmd - easy to find. I'll let you have the pleasure of tracing them. AustinQ has given you the years

Could anyone check how many ppl lived at the 562 caledonian road plz

rachel is the only one that came to see my father when he died.... and te only one my auntie remembers is her and a stanley ? very confusing the ways it all branches off and why all the new marriages etc his mother had.... thank you AustinQ for the help. My nan threw everything away in regards to my grandad sadly so im struggling but the info you have all found i dont think i would for ages.... maybe sampson maynard senior had another woman at the house who had more children within the 5 years he died?

oh and i think archie is arthur....

ok thank you, i was trying to trace the address for more relative names... I have since traced living cousins too with thanks to you guys here being as helpful as you are. :-) Thank you

Also with the Rachel confusion .... she was known as Rachel but she was in fact born Emily. Her mum ( my greatgran) was imprisoned for bigamy apparently in holloway prison. I was told after meeting up with some new cousins :-) I havent found any concrete proof and wouldnt know where to start on that one.
Thank yuou again tho :-)

Try the British Newspaper Archive. Its included in some GR & FMP subscriptions.

As there's so many names on this thread, can you pick out the details of your great grandmother?
When she was born
Name at birth (not the pet name)
Who she married & when.

Those of us who have a sub covering the BNA can have a look. Try a search yourself on GR & post the results so we can see if they are relevant.

Great grandmother is Emily Hiom b 1892 who married Walter Hall in 1911. She then had children with widower Sampson Maynard.

Her other marriages


Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Hall Emily Kay Islington 1b
Kay Thomas G Hall Islington 1b 853

Marriages Mar 1945 (>99%)
Kay Emily Poyton Edmonton 3a 2034
Poyton Arthur J Kay Edmonton 3a 2034
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so is it one of those that was bigamous please?

Thanks again detective i will carry out those searches now, i did the basic google searches and click ons but nothing so obviously im looking in all the wrond g places again.
Great grandmother
Name,EMILY HIOM
Born, 5TH OCTOBER 1893 Died, 1950
Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Hiom Emily Marylebone 1a 579
Marriages were (she stated on the 2 i have as if she was born in 1897?)
WALTER HALL 1911 MARYLEBONE
THOMAS G KAY 1928 MEDINA ROAD
ARTHUR JOHN POYTON 1945 EDMONTON

Thanks rootgatherer, im not sure to who, this is information i have recently got after i met with the new cousins i have :-) They dont know much abouth it all just what they were told from their mum.
How would i find out which marriage would have been the bigamous one? She did go to holloway im not sure of what year etc :-/

As her second and third marriages were both using her married name she would either be widowed or divorced presumably. Do you have ALL her marriage certificates please? Have you looked for deaths of her first and second husband please?

I'm not seeing anything obvious on the newspaper archives but it may not have made the newspapers or perhaps only a line or two in the local newspaper.

It's also possible that she lived as married with Arthur Tyas. On the 1939 electoral roll Emily is possibly listed with surname Tyas.

Copied from my earlier post:

1939
43 Oaklands Avenue, Edmonton
Arthur Tyas
Emily Tyas<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sampson Maynard Hall
Joseph Harvey
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This is the same address on the 1939 register:

43 Oaklands Avenue, Edmonton
Emily Kay (later Poyton) born 5th Oct1893, married, Housewife
Emily Hall (later Warne) born 20th Jan 1920, single home duties
Arthur Tyas born 26 Oct 1876, widowed, bricklayer
Henry Ettrdge born 25th Jan 1881, married, sewing mechanic
----------------------------

It looks as though Arthur married widow Emma Turner (nee Flutter) in 1912. She died in 1928 (they had sons Albert and James). Arthur died in 1942 (Under Joseph Arthur Tyas).

If the Emily Tyas listed on the electoral roll is Emily (Hiom) she was living with Arthur from at least 1934. I wonder if she didn't marry Arthur due to her husband, Thomas G Kay, still being alive?

Looking at the death registers I don't see a likely death for a Thomas G Kay before Emily remarried in 1945. There is a Thomas G Kay living in the Islington area, but I don't see him with Emily.

Do you have her 1945 marriage certificate? Is she listed as widowed?
It might be easier if you post all the details of the 1928 and 1945 marriages (including witnesses and adresses).

Hi rootgatherer, I have 2 of her marriage certificates after hall......being her married to Hall as prev HIOM, then Hall to kay stating shes a widow..... then kay to poyton stating shes a widow.... she died 5 years later...i did look at the paper archives but no joy either....thank you for reading and helping...

Hi AustinQ
I had completely missed that, I assumed it would have been his wife being another Emily, wow... my cousins i recently have found and met thanks to ur guys help, have mentioned joseph was the landlord and they all lived upstairs and he had the downstairs.....am i able to scan it in or not? thank you so much for your help...

Marriage 26 sept 1928
Thomas george kay, age 26, bachelor, engineer, 59 huntingdon street? fathers name david kay upholsterer,

Emily hall, age 31, widow, 42 medina road, father thomas hiom deceased horsekeeper.

witneseses M J Moon & H J Ettridge
ISLINGTON
##################################
marriage 7 feb 1945
arthur john poyton age 50, widower, clark ministry of supply depot?, 43 oaklands ave edmonton, father john poyton deceased, gil and colourman? could be Tie?

Emily kay, 48, widow, 43 oaklands ave, father thomas hiom deceased, horsekeeper

Witnesses, E warne (daughter emily warne) & H . childs... its faint so not too sure