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ArgyllGran,

I don't know where I got Emily S from, it is Emily Gertrude

But Edward was a general labourer when he died.
Of course he might have been in the Army when he was younger.

Emily's not the only mystery - I can't find any trace of an Edward Ellam or similar of the right age in any census.


You say that Lilian's mother was Emily S........ Ellam.
Earlier you thought the middle name looked like Gertrude. Have you changed your mind about that?

Thanks all. Emily Ellam is very difficult to find. I can't find a marriage for Edward Ellam . as suggested maybe they weren't married. I suppose that they could have overseas after all it is a military town.

Edward not listed at address on 1901 census

1901
41 Maidenburg Street, Colchester

Thomas Brooks Head 78 1823 Male Rouham, Suffolk,
Esther V Hathman 58 1843 Female Colchester, Essex,
Charles Hanwick Lodger 46 1855 Male Colchester, Essex,
Charles Hanwick Lodger So 10 1891 Male Colchester, Essex,

Sorry, Andrew - missed the birth cert post

Just backtracking a little.

This family were at 5 Artillery Street in 1911- note that Rose was actually Rosina. at No7 were Harry and Emily Smith and children.

1911: 5Artillery St, North Colchester
George Allen Head 1869 42 Male Married Millers Labourer Colchester, Essex
Elizabeth Allen Wife 1869 42 Female Married 16 Colchester, Essex
Bessie Allen Daughter 1889 22 Female Single Laundress Colchester, Essex
George Allen Son 1895 16 Male Single Laundry Hand Colchester, Essex
William Allen Son 1898 13 Male school Colchester, Essex
Rose Allen Daughter 1901 10 Female school Colchester, Essex
Elizabeth Allen Daughter 1904 7 Female school Colchester, Essex
Florence Allen Daughter 1907 4 Female Colchester, Essex
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In 1901 a Lucy Allen was at 7 Artillery Street South:

1901- 7 Artillery Street South
Lucy Allen Head 50 1851 Widow, tailoress, Great Clacton, Essex,
Arthur R Money Son 24 1877 single, coal carter Colchester, Essex,

It could be Maidenburgh St very hard to read

I have the birth cert I posted the details her mother is Emily S Ellam.
Thanks for looking everyone.

Your friend needs to obtain a copy of Lilian's birth cert - available from the GRO site for £6.00

That will give you her mother's name, from which you can look for antecedents

Not seeing a Maidenbury Street in Colchester, could the address be Maidenburgh Street?

I know .... that's why I said the closest that I had come to finding him!

SylviaInCanada sorry he was 49, so not the one you have seen

I can't see them .............

............ the closest I've come was an Edward Ellum, age 18 Servant, Bread Baker) at the Rising Sun Inn, Halstead Essex ............. and yes, it is Ellum on the image.

The age would help!!!

Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Ellam Edward 49 Colchester 4a 357

Hello,
Today I have received the death certificate for an Edward Ellam the informant is E. Ellam widow of the deceased. The address is 41 Maidenbury street Colchester he was a general laborer . DOD was 2nd May 1902. I wonder if anyone can find this couple on the 1901 census please?

Oh dear .................

This sounds a little like the piece of paper that OH's mother left for us on her immediate ancestors

First, she was born in Wales, so there were Welsh surnames and forenames, and other Welsh words that OH (who knows a little Welsh) didn't understand and I didn't have the proverbial cat's hope about.

Second, some of the surnames and forenames were linked, others were not. Some names were linked with the unknown words, some not. Some words were just jottings down, with ? after them

I tried for years to get to the bottom of this list .......... supposedly her mother's siblings, parents, aunts etc.

Eventually, with help from people on here and other sites, plus a very helpful friend, we came up with an explanation.

Most of the Welsh words we didn't know were place names ......... farms, houses, hamlets, etc.

Removing those, we linked up about half of the names with "real" people that we could find on censuses, etc. Some even lived on farms with names similar to the ones she'd written!

I still have not sorted others out to my satisfaction.

Of course, as is always the case ............... everyone in the family who might have helped was dead by the time I came to doing the research!

ArgyllGran,

I don't know if Lucy and Rosina were related, this person who did the research just wrote Lucy and Rosina on a piece of paper and put Lucy possible grandmother? and that they lived at Artillery st in 1901

Thanks
Gail

Thanks ArgyllGran

You said -

Someone did some research years ago for my friend and has mentioned the name Lucy Allen and Rosina Allen, now in 1911 Lilian was shown as Lilian Allen. The address for Lucy is 7 Artillery St Colchester.


What record showed the Artillery Street address?
Do you know if Rosina and Lucy were sisters of Lilian? Or some other relation?

I suspect that she was just calling herself a widow for respectability's sake.

As already pointed out, there's no mms on Lilian's birth record.

I can't see her in 1901, born Muddiford or Marwood, Devon.
Or any other year, for that matter.

Can't see a likely birth in Barnstaple reg distrct either.

But she could have been using any surname in 1901 - maybe using the name of another unmarried partner.
I'm not putting too much faith in her supposed YOB of c1861, either.

In 1911, although crossed out, it says she had had four children, of whom one had died.