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Hi All

Trying to find some relatives (funnily enough) but am a little bit stumped -
I have the B/Cert for Celia Jane Whitehead - born 1866 (Hythe in Kent) baptised in Lyminge in Kent - but I cannot find her on any census apart from the 1891 with her husband - OR - her parents Eliza and Thomas anywhere

Would anyone be able to help?

Thanks

Her birth registration for our info - the RD of Elham covers Hythe

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WHITEHEAD, CELIA JANE MARTED Order
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 793 Order

not finding another birth with mmn Marted or similar 1860-1870

What details does the Birth certificate give for her parents ? full names, occupations, address at time and her actual DoB

For our information only - is this Celia with her husband:-

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bridge Street, Folkestone, Elham, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

Edward Durrant Head Married Male 32 1859 Kent, England Bricklayers Labourer
Cecilia Durrant Wife Married Female 25 1866 Kent, England
Beatrice Durrant Daughter - Female 7 1884 Kent, England Scholar
Flora Durrant Daughter - Female 5 1886 Kent, England Scholar
Edward Durrant Son - Male 4 1887 Kent, England Scholar
Edith Durrant Daughter - Female 1 1890 Kent, England

Have we looked at this family before as I have viewed the record before according to Findmypast?

I can't find her in earlier census records either.

Kath. x

A previous thread about this family:

https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1367172

Hi All

Many thanks for looking for me:

The B/Cert confirms the mothers maiden name as I thought it said Masted so could be Marted - the father was an agricultural labourer - the DOB is 4/3/1866 - no address on the certificate

Thanks

You say her parents were Eliza and Thomas.

But the marriage record posted by DetEcTive on the other thread ( 13 Aug 2017 @ 14:07) says her father was William.

I don't see a Whitehead/Marted (or variation) marriage.


The marriage record copied again here for ease:

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Aug 2017 14:07

From FMP ]

Marriage
First name(s) Edward
Last name Durrant
Birth year 1858
Marriage year 1885
Marriage date 15 Mar 1885
Place Newington Next Hythe, St Nicholas
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Durrant
Groom's age 27
Groom's father's first name(s) Robt
Groom's father's last name Durrant
Bride's age 21
Bride's father's first name(s) William
Bride's father's last name Whitehead
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/69
Year range 1838-1920
Page 69
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Marriages 1538-1928

Its a transcription error - Elizabeth is Ceilia Jane
He's from Newington, she's from the parish of Hythe.
All the males are Labourers.
Witnesses, who made their mark, are Thomas Durrant & Elizabeth Durrant.

[The above are Det's words.]

Think this is the parent's marriage (surname Maxted):-

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Whitehead
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1839
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™
Thomas Whitehead married one of these people

****Eliza Maxted****, Caroline Rolfe

District Elham
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 5
Volume as transcribed 5
Page number 209
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

Possible baptism of the mother Eliza:-

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Maxted
Birth year -
Baptism year 1818
Baptism date 15 Feb 1818
Place Hythe, St Leonard
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Charlotte
County Kent
Country England
Register year range 1813-1843
Archive reference CCA/U3/282/1/B/1
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Baptisms

Kath. x

Thanks All

maybe I have the wrong certificate then

?????
Name Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Residence Place Kent, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Nov 1885
Christening Date (Original) 18 Nov 1885
Christening Place Hythe, Kent, England
Mother's Name Celia Jane Whitehead
Citing this Record

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

Mary Elizabeth F
Last name Durrant
Birth year 1885
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name -
District Elham
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 1028
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

If that is really Celia's mother she had been married 26 years and was age 58 when Celia was born

Which certificate do you think is wrong - a birth certificate or a marriage certificate?

Kath. x

Ancestry suggests this is her in 1881:

Jane Whitehead
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jane Whitehead
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Hythe, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Bradstone Rd C P Bradstone Tavern
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Elham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1010
Folio: 47
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice O. Tyas 37
Esther E. Tyas 7
Harriett A. Tyas 4
Matilda M. Tyas 3
Charlotte H. Tyas
John Woodherd 61
Jane Whitehead 15
(not transcribed)

No, Eliza would be 48 years old - quite possible as I have older mothers in my tree.

Kath. x

I don't know maybe the birth certificate?

I have to go out for an hour but will be back soon - thanks for all your help looking for me I really do appreciate

Celia Jane Whitehead
mentioned in the record of Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Name: Celia Jane Whitehead
Sex: Female
Daughter: Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Other information in the record of Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
from England Births and Christenings

Name: Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Residence Place: Kent, England
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1885
Christening Date (Original): 18 Nov 1885
Christening Place: Hythe, Kent, England
Mother's Name: Celia Jane Whitehead

Another related thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367865?page=0

quote:

????????????

Mother born same place and time as Whitehead family

No birth for Celia Cloke that I can see.

Eliza Cloke

in the 1871 England Census


Name: Eliza Cloke
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Cloke
Gender: Female
Where born: Pluckley, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard
Town: Hythe
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Hythe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 176
Piece: 1020
Folio: 71
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cloke 49
Eliza Cloke 47
Celia Cloke 5

Andy



and another quote:

ChristinaS Report 1 Sep 2017 17:25

Hi, I'm late with joining this thread. Started at the beginning so I'm going back to Celia Whitehead.

On 27th August, Andrew posted the 1871 census for Celia with parents William and Eliza Choke.

In the 1841 and 1851 censuses, Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton, was in Maidstone prison for theft.

In 1857 Eliza Whitehead and her children: James 13; Egerton 9 and William 6 entered St.Martin's workhouse.

So I thought it more likely that Celia's father was William Choke rather than Thomas.

Middy
Middy Report 2 Sep 2017 13:43

Hi Christina - thanks for your thoughts

I think I may then have a wrong birth certificate - the marriage certificate that I have I know is correct and this does confirm her fathers name as William

The only thing is I could only find one birth for a Celia Whitehead?

Thanks

ChristinaS
ChristinaS Report 2 Sep 2017 17:09

You probably have the correct birth certificate. Thomas Whitehead would likely have been named as the father as Celia's mother was still married to him.

The marriage certificate shows that Thomas was born in 1820, with a father James.

There's a Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton with father James. This one fits the Thomas Whitehead who was in Maidstone prison.

DURRANT, MARY ELIZABETH FLORENCE mmn WHITEHEAD

Elham Dec qtr 1885

"No, Eliza would be 48 years old - quite possible as I have older mothers in my tree".

Thanks Kath - my maths brain has gone walkabout

Hi All

Confused, so do you think I do have the right certificate then?

Thanks