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Thomas Whitehead
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Whitehead
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Maidstone
Hundred: Maidstone Borough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Kent County Prison, Maidstone
Occupation: Prisoner; agricultural labourer
Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
Neighbors:
Piece: 490
Book: 7
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6



Thomas Whitehead
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Whitehead
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Monks Horton, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Prisoner; agricultural labourer
Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: Kent County Gaol
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1617
Folio: 654
Page Number: 23

I didn't find the info, it was from the quote on page 1 from Christina S

In the 1841 and 1851 censuses, Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton, was in Maidstone prison for theft.

Ahhh - Tiggit I feel like I have just been on WDYTYA - amazing - never gave that a thought - I have a subscription to BNA but cannot find anything - where did you find the bit about prison?

Thanks so much for your help

Yes!

Celia Jane Whitehead was born to Eliza in 1866, father recorded as Thomas Whitehead. Eliza was still married to Thomas Whitehead at this time so named him as the father. Thomas Whitehead was in prison in 1841 and still there in 1851. Eliza entered the workhouse in 1857 but by 1871 Eliza and Celia were living with William Cloke, so Celia's biological father could have been either Thomas Whitehead, William Cloke or ? . It's possible that when Celia married she named her father as William (referring to her step-father) and the surname was automatically recorded as Whitehead. .

Edit:

1871 census:


Celia Cloke
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Celia Cloke
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Hythe, St Leonard, Kent, England
Enumeration District 9
Gender Female
Age 5
Marital Status Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1866
Birthplace Kent
Entry Number 7
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/1020/0145
Household

Birthplace
William Cloke Head M 49 Newington, Kent
Eliza Cloke Wife F 47 Pluckley, Kent
Celia Cloke Daughter F 5 Kent

Just thought how can the surname be Choke though - her surname is Whitehead?

Hi All

Confused, so do you think I do have the right certificate then?

Thanks

"No, Eliza would be 48 years old - quite possible as I have older mothers in my tree".

Thanks Kath - my maths brain has gone walkabout

DURRANT, MARY ELIZABETH FLORENCE mmn WHITEHEAD

Elham Dec qtr 1885

Another related thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367865?page=0

quote:

????????????

Mother born same place and time as Whitehead family

No birth for Celia Cloke that I can see.

Eliza Cloke

in the 1871 England Census


Name: Eliza Cloke
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Cloke
Gender: Female
Where born: Pluckley, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard
Town: Hythe
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Hythe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 176
Piece: 1020
Folio: 71
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cloke 49
Eliza Cloke 47
Celia Cloke 5

Andy



and another quote:

ChristinaS Report 1 Sep 2017 17:25

Hi, I'm late with joining this thread. Started at the beginning so I'm going back to Celia Whitehead.

On 27th August, Andrew posted the 1871 census for Celia with parents William and Eliza Choke.

In the 1841 and 1851 censuses, Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton, was in Maidstone prison for theft.

In 1857 Eliza Whitehead and her children: James 13; Egerton 9 and William 6 entered St.Martin's workhouse.

So I thought it more likely that Celia's father was William Choke rather than Thomas.

Middy
Middy Report 2 Sep 2017 13:43

Hi Christina - thanks for your thoughts

I think I may then have a wrong birth certificate - the marriage certificate that I have I know is correct and this does confirm her fathers name as William

The only thing is I could only find one birth for a Celia Whitehead?

Thanks

ChristinaS
ChristinaS Report 2 Sep 2017 17:09

You probably have the correct birth certificate. Thomas Whitehead would likely have been named as the father as Celia's mother was still married to him.

The marriage certificate shows that Thomas was born in 1820, with a father James.

There's a Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton with father James. This one fits the Thomas Whitehead who was in Maidstone prison.

Celia Jane Whitehead
mentioned in the record of Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Name: Celia Jane Whitehead
Sex: Female
Daughter: Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Other information in the record of Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
from England Births and Christenings

Name: Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Residence Place: Kent, England
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1885
Christening Date (Original): 18 Nov 1885
Christening Place: Hythe, Kent, England
Mother's Name: Celia Jane Whitehead

I don't know maybe the birth certificate?

I have to go out for an hour but will be back soon - thanks for all your help looking for me I really do appreciate

No, Eliza would be 48 years old - quite possible as I have older mothers in my tree.

Kath. x

Ancestry suggests this is her in 1881:

Jane Whitehead
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jane Whitehead
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Hythe, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Bradstone Rd C P Bradstone Tavern
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Elham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1010
Folio: 47
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice O. Tyas 37
Esther E. Tyas 7
Harriett A. Tyas 4
Matilda M. Tyas 3
Charlotte H. Tyas
John Woodherd 61
Jane Whitehead 15
(not transcribed)

Which certificate do you think is wrong - a birth certificate or a marriage certificate?

Kath. x

If that is really Celia's mother she had been married 26 years and was age 58 when Celia was born

?????
Name Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Residence Place Kent, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Nov 1885
Christening Date (Original) 18 Nov 1885
Christening Place Hythe, Kent, England
Mother's Name Celia Jane Whitehead
Citing this Record

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

Mary Elizabeth F
Last name Durrant
Birth year 1885
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name -
District Elham
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 1028
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Thanks All

maybe I have the wrong certificate then

Possible baptism of the mother Eliza:-

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Maxted
Birth year -
Baptism year 1818
Baptism date 15 Feb 1818
Place Hythe, St Leonard
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Charlotte
County Kent
Country England
Register year range 1813-1843
Archive reference CCA/U3/282/1/B/1
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Baptisms

Kath. x

Think this is the parent's marriage (surname Maxted):-

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Whitehead
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1839
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™
Thomas Whitehead married one of these people

****Eliza Maxted****, Caroline Rolfe

District Elham
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 5
Volume as transcribed 5
Page number 209
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

You say her parents were Eliza and Thomas.

But the marriage record posted by DetEcTive on the other thread ( 13 Aug 2017 @ 14:07) says her father was William.

I don't see a Whitehead/Marted (or variation) marriage.


The marriage record copied again here for ease:

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Aug 2017 14:07

From FMP ]

Marriage
First name(s) Edward
Last name Durrant
Birth year 1858
Marriage year 1885
Marriage date 15 Mar 1885
Place Newington Next Hythe, St Nicholas
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Durrant
Groom's age 27
Groom's father's first name(s) Robt
Groom's father's last name Durrant
Bride's age 21
Bride's father's first name(s) William
Bride's father's last name Whitehead
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/69
Year range 1838-1920
Page 69
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Marriages 1538-1928

Its a transcription error - Elizabeth is Ceilia Jane
He's from Newington, she's from the parish of Hythe.
All the males are Labourers.
Witnesses, who made their mark, are Thomas Durrant & Elizabeth Durrant.

[The above are Det's words.]