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Isabella Carmichael b1828 Fraserburgh, Aberdeen

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2018 22:18

There's no Carmichael / Thornton marriage showing on Scotlands People.

safc

safc Report 18 Jul 2018 22:35

Marriages Mar 1844 (>99%)
CARMICHAEL Isabella Preston 21 404 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
CARR Ellen Preston 21 404
ECKLESLEY Frances Preston 21 404
FAWCETT Charlotte Preston 21 404
HUNTER Peter Preston 21 404
MONAGHAN William Preston 21 404 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SMITH Patrick Preston 21 404
WARING George Preston 21 404

safc

safc Report 18 Jul 2018 22:38

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Factory, Penwortham, Preston, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Robert Carmichael Male 50 1791 Ireland
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James Carmichael Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
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Robert Carmichael Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England
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Mary Carmichael Female 45 1796 Ireland
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Margaret Carmichael Female 20 1821 Ireland
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Mary Carmichael Female 15 1826 Ireland
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Lewis Carmichael Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Carmichael Female 8 1833 Lancashire, England
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robert could be a tailor

safc

safc Report 18 Jul 2018 22:49

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MONAGHAN William CARMICHAEL Isabella Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jul 2018 11:04

Wonder why he added Thornton to his name?

Some time between 1844 and 1861, possibly while in Africa.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jul 2018 11:24

Or between 1858 and 1861 ?

MONAGHAN, HENRY JAMES mms CARMICHAEL
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 511

THORNTON, TERESA JENNET MONAGHAN mms CARMICHAEL
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 472

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jul 2018 11:47

Daughter Isabella born 1857 Africa according to census, then Henry 1859 in Lancaster. By 1861 William is recorded as an Army Pensioner. So perhaps if he left Service 1857/8 time then after that is when it was added (did he disgrace himself somehow)

I wondered initially if the marriage particulars had been completed wrongly with Monaghan being thought to be his surname and the Thornton left off, buf it goes to the children's births as well? Under what name did the children marry?

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jul 2018 12:09

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%)
MERCER Alice Preston 8e 858 Scan available - click to view
THORNTON Robert Preston 8e 858 Scan available - click to view
WAREING Joseph Preston 8e 858 Scan available - click to view
Western Nancy Preston 8e 858

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
170, New Hall Lane, Preston, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Elizabeth Western Head Single Female 45 1836 Yealand Redmayne, Lancashire, England Stationer And News Agent
John R Western Brother Widower Male 34 1847 Yealand Redmayne, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Ellis Western Nephew Single Male 9 1872 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Robert Thornton Brother In Law Married Male 32 1849 Africa Tailor
Nancy Thornton Sister Married Female 36 1845 Yealand Redmayne, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
John Thornton Nephew Single Male 6 1875 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jul 2018 12:16

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
HOLDEN Margaret Alice Preston 8e 781
HOTHERSALL Walter Preston 8e 781
PICKETT William Preston 8e 781
THORNTON Isabella Preston 8e 781

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Yard Upper King Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Pickett Head Married Male 26 1855 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England -
Isabella Pickett Wife Married Female 24 1857 South Africa -
William Pickett Son Single Male 2 1879 Lancaster, Lancashire, England -
Robert Pickett Son single Male 1 1880 Lancaster

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PICKETT, ROBERT THORNTON Order
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 762

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Jul 2018 12:20

safc I think the occupation for Robert Carmichael in the 1841 census is Twister not tailor. Of course he could have changed occupations.

June

June Report 19 Jul 2018 19:22

The name Change to Thornton came in when the family moved from Ireland to England and was due to the negative English attitudes to the Irish, It was thought that the children would stand a better chance of integrating with a more 'english' name.