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Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	June	Report	19 Jul 2018 19:22
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	The name Change to Thornton came in when the family moved from Ireland to England and was due to the negative English attitudes to the Irish, It was thought that the children would stand a better chance of integrating with a more 'english' name.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	19 Jul 2018 12:20
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	safc I think the occupation for Robert Carmichael in the 1841 census is Twister not tailor. Of course he could have changed occupations.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	19 Jul 2018 12:16
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%) HOLDEN Margaret Alice Preston 8e 781 HOTHERSALL Walter Preston 8e 781 PICKETT William Preston 8e 781 THORNTON Isabella Preston 8e 781 ----------------------------- 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2, Yard Upper King Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Pickett Head Married Male 26 1855 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England - Isabella Pickett Wife Married Female 24 1857 South Africa - William Pickett Son Single Male 2 1879 Lancaster, Lancashire, England - Robert Pickett Son single Male 1 1880 Lancaster ------------------------------ Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: PICKETT, ROBERT THORNTON Order GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 762
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	19 Jul 2018 12:09
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%) MERCER Alice Preston 8e 858 Scan available - click to view THORNTON Robert Preston 8e 858 Scan available - click to view WAREING Joseph Preston 8e 858 Scan available - click to view Western Nancy Preston 8e 858 ------------------- 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 170, New Hall Lane, Preston, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Elizabeth Western Head Single Female 45 1836 Yealand Redmayne, Lancashire, England Stationer And News Agent John R Western Brother Widower Male 34 1847 Yealand Redmayne, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver Ellis Western Nephew Single Male 9 1872 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar Robert Thornton Brother In Law Married Male 32 1849 Africa Tailor Nancy Thornton Sister Married Female 36 1845 Yealand Redmayne, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver John Thornton Nephew Single Male 6 1875 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	19 Jul 2018 11:47
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Daughter Isabella born 1857 Africa according to census, then Henry 1859 in Lancaster. By 1861 William is recorded as an Army Pensioner. So perhaps if he left Service 1857/8 time then after that is when it was added (did he disgrace himself somehow) I wondered initially if the marriage particulars had been completed wrongly with Monaghan being thought to be his surname and the Thornton left off, buf it goes to the children's births as well? Under what name did the children marry?
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,291 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	19 Jul 2018 11:24
	Or between 1858 and 1861 ? MONAGHAN, HENRY JAMES mms CARMICHAEL GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 511 THORNTON, TERESA JENNET MONAGHAN mms CARMICHAEL GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 472
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,291 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	19 Jul 2018 11:04
	Wonder why he added Thornton to his name? Some time between 1844 and 1861, possibly while in Africa.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	18 Jul 2018 22:49
	Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1844 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference MONAGHAN William CARMICHAEL Isabella Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	18 Jul 2018 22:38
	???? 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Factory, Penwortham, Preston, Lancashire, England Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Robert Carmichael Male 50 1791 Ireland Transcription James Carmichael Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England Transcription Robert Carmichael Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Carmichael Female 45 1796 Ireland Transcription Margaret Carmichael Female 20 1821 Ireland Transcription Mary Carmichael Female 15 1826 Ireland Transcription Lewis Carmichael Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Carmichael Female 8 1833 Lancashire, England ???? robert could be a tailor
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	18 Jul 2018 22:35
	Marriages Mar 1844 (>99%) CARMICHAEL Isabella Preston 21 404 xxxxxxxxxxxxx CARR Ellen Preston 21 404 ECKLESLEY Frances Preston 21 404 FAWCETT Charlotte Preston 21 404 HUNTER Peter Preston 21 404 MONAGHAN William Preston 21 404 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SMITH Patrick Preston 21 404 WARING George Preston 21 404
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,291 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	18 Jul 2018 22:18
	There's no Carmichael / Thornton marriage showing on Scotlands People.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	18 Jul 2018 22:00
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	CARMICHAEL ALEXANDER ROBT. CARMICHAEL/MARY LIVINGSTON M 04/12/1825 Kincardine CARMICHAEL ISOBELLA ROBT. CARMICHAEL/MARY LIVINGSTON F 15/05/1827 Kincardine
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	18 Jul 2018 21:25
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Robert Carmichael? 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Mill Street, Alloa (Clackmannan), Clackmannanshire, Scotland First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Robert Carmichael Male 39 1802 Scotland Tailor & Clothier Janet Carmichael Female 30 1811 Scotland Transcription John Carmichael Male 12 1829 Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription James Carmichael Male 10 1831 Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Alexander Carmichael Male 6 1835 Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Mary Carmichael Female 4 1837 Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Margaret Carmichael Female 1 1840 Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Catherine Ferguson Female 15 1826 Scotland 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Mill Street, Alloa(Clackmannan), Clackmannanshire, Scotland First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Carmichael Head Married Male 38 1813 Tailor & Clothier (Empg 18 Men) Perthshire, Scotland Transcription Janet Carmichael Wife Married Female 45 1806 - Raploch, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription Robert Carmichael Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Tailor Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Alexander Carmichael Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Shopman Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Mary Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 - Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Margaret Carmichael Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Thomas Carmichael Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Janet Carmichael Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Henry Carmichael Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Jean Carmichael Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Christina Carmichael Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Catherine Carmichael Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Margaret Hodge Sister-In-Law Unmarried Female 38 1813 House Servant Raploch, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription Agnes Donald Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 House Servant Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription Margaret Morrison Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 House Servant Tullibody, Clackmannanshire, Scotland 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Mill Street, Alloa(Clackmannan), Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Carmichael Head Married Male 59 1802 Draper And Clothier Employing 20 Men 5 App & 12 Women Doune, Perthshire, Scotland Janet Carmichael Wife Married Female 55 1806 Draper And Clothier Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription Alexander Carmichael Son Unmarried Male 26 1835 Drapers Assistant Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Thomas Carmichael Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 General Clerk Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Janet Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Draper Assistant Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Jane Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Christiana Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Catherine Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Mary McKinzie Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Domestic Servt Clackmannan, Clackmannanshire, Scotland 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Grange Place, Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Carmichael Head Married Male 69 1802 Draper & (Clothier Master Employing 23 Men Women & 6 Boys Perthshire, Scotland Transcription Janet C Carmichael Wife Married Female 65 1806 - Raploch, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription Christina Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1849 - Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Transcription Eliza Traill Servant Unmarried Female 25 1846 General Servt Dysart, Fife, Scotland This is most probably his marriage. If this is the correct person, perhaps his first wife died and he moved to Alloa? CARMICHAEL ROBERT JANET HODGE/ 30/05/1834 Alloa He also appears to have this marriage as the first 2 children in the 1841 census have this Mary as a mother. CARMICHAEL ROBERT MARY HODGE/ 25/05/1824 Alloa So it looks to be the wrong Robert for your family.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	18 Jul 2018 20:57
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	The tree on ancestry has the MC. William Monaghan, bachelor of full age, soldier 60th foot, Barracks Preston, son of Matthew Monaghan, farmer. Isabella Carmichael, spinster of full age, Water St, Preston daughter of Robert Carmichael, tailor. R Anderson and Bridget Laughlin were witnesses and they were all Roman Catholics.
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	June	Report	18 Jul 2018 20:41
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	There is a Isabella Thornton born 1831 in Fraserburgh, I think this is the confusion with the birth location
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	June	Report	18 Jul 2018 20:26
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	Isabella Thornton b1857 South Africa is my Great Great grandmother who married William Pickett in Preston
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	18 Jul 2018 20:06
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	How have you got back to her, are you certain this is the person you're looking for? safc posted the birth record and a marriage in Perth.
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	June	Report	18 Jul 2018 19:53
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 233 Send Message	The birth location of Isabella Carmichael is Perth not Aberdeen in 1827 and parents are Robert Carmichael and Mary Livingston, are there any siblings recorded ? appreciate all the information and research
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	18 Jul 2018 19:46
	Robert Carmichael mentioned in the record of Robert Carmichael and Mary Livingstone Name Robert Carmichael Spouse's Name Mary Livingstone Event Date 01 Jan 1826 Event Place Associate Congregation, Bridge Of Teith, Perth, Scotland
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	18 Jul 2018 19:25
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Still with William Thornton in 1881 ( widow 1891/1901) 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2, Everton Gardens, Preston, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place William M Thornton Head Married Male 63 1818 Ireland Army Pensioner Isabella Thornton Wife Married Female 52 1829 Scotland Dressmaker Alexander Peter Thornton Son Single Male 16 1865 Preston, Lancashire, England Tailors Apprentice Joseph E Thornton Son Single Male 13 1868 Preston, Lancashire, England School Teacher

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