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Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Riley54	Report	16 Jun 2018 20:39
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	William Hollis married Mary Ann Ball and these were my Great Grandparents Their daughter Rachel Hollis married Arthur Riley (my grandparents) I have a print out for the 1891 census which shows William as being born in Wales as does the 1911 census however the 1901 census shows him as being born in Lancashire. All three printouts have the same children's names on but the 1911 census shows two entries for James Hollis for 1885 and 1886. Don't know why this could be. My mum only told me about her mum Rachel having one sister Emily. I don't have the names of William's parents or his date of birth so cannot send for the birth certificate. I would appreciate your thoughts on whether this will be the same William Hollis in all three census'. Thank you
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	16 Jun 2018 20:50
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	So these are the census for reference. 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Newton, Blackwell, Mansfield, Derbyshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Hollis Head Married Male 37 1854 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Coal Miner Transcription Mary Hollis Wife Married Female 33 1858 Derbyshire, England - Transcription Emily Hollis Daughter - Female 9 1882 Derbyshire, England Scholar Transcription John Hollis Son - Male 6 1885 Derbyshire, England Scholar Transcription James Hollis Son - Male 4 1887 Nottinghamshire, England - Transcription Charles Hollis Son - Male 2 1889 Derbyshire, England - Transcription Frank Hollis Son - Male 0 1891 Derbyshire, England 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Newton Green, Newton, Blackwell (Derby), Mansfield, Derbyshire, England Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Hollis Head Married Male 46 1855 Southport, Lancashire, England Coal Miner Hewer Transcription Mary A Hollis Wife Married Female 42 1859 South Normanton, Derbyshire, England - Transcription John Hollis Son Single Male 16 1885 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England Colliery Pony Driver Below Ground Transcription James Hollis Son Single Male 15 1886 Nottinghamshire, England Colliery Pony Driver Below Ground Transcription Charles Hollis Son Single Male 12 1889 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England Colliery Pony Driver Below Ground Transcription Frank Hollis Son Single Male 10 1891 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England - Transcription Ada M Hollis Daughter Single Female 8 1893 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England - Transcription Rachel Hollis Daughter Single Female 4 1897 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England - Transcription Laydia Hollis Daughter Single Female 0 1901 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England - 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 27 Lewis's Row Shirebrook Near Mansfield, Shirebrook, Nottinghamshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Hollis Head Married Male 56 1855 South Wales Coal Miner Loader Transcription Mary A Hollis Wife Married Female 53 1858 Derbyshire South Normanton - Transcription James Hollis Son Single Male 26 1885 Newton Derbyshire Coal Miner Fitter Transcription James Hollis Son Single Male 25 1886 Stanton Hill Notts Coal Miner Fitter Transcription Charles Henry Hollis Son Single Male 22 1889 Stanton Hill Notts Coal Miner Hole Transcription Ada M Hollis Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Newton Derbyshire - Transcription Rachel Hollis Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Newton Derbyshire - Transcription James Richardson Boarder Single Male 33 1878 Bulwell Notts Coal Miner Loader 12 children born, only 7 still living. James 1885 should read John 1885. I have put a correction in.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 20:57
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	so is this your family - you didn't say where they were to be found 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 27 Lewis's Row Shirebrook Near Mansfield, Shirebrook, Nottinghamshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Hollis Head Married Male 56 1855 South Wales Coal Miner Loader Mary A Hollis Wife Married Female 53 1858 Derbyshire South Normanton - James Hollis Son Single Male 26 1885 Newton Derbyshire Coal Miner Fitter James Hollis Son Single Male 25 1886 Stanton Hill Notts Coal Miner Fitter Charles Henry Hollis Son Single Male 22 1889 Stanton Hill Notts Coal Miner Hole Ada M Hollis Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Newton Derbyshire - Rachel Hollis Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Newton Derbyshire - James Richardson Boarder Single Male 33 1878 Bulwell Notts Married ? years 12 children born, 7 still living 5 have died Original shows the older "James" to be actually John https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: HOLLIS, JOHN BALL Order GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 63 Order HOLLIS, JAMES BALL Order GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 86 Order
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:06
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 23, St Thomas Row, Tibshelf (Derby), Mansfield, Derbyshire, England Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Hollis Head Married Male 26 1855 Newport, Essex, England Coal Miner Transcription Mary Ann Hollis Wife Married Female 22 1859 South Normanton, Derbyshire, England Coal Miner Wife Transcription Emily Hollis Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England - William is born in Newport, South Wales.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:10
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Possible birth for William? England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription Learn more Print View image Add to tree First name(s) WILLIAM Last name HOLLIS Birth year 1854 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name Meredith District Newport (Monmouthshire) County Monmouthshire Country Wales Volume 11A Page 150 Maybe his parents marriage? Am looking into it. Herefordshire Marriages Transcription Learn more Print Add to tree First name(s) Emily Last name Meredith Marriage year 1853 Marriage date 24 Dec 1853 Marriage place Ross on Wye Spouse's first name(s) George Spouse's last name Hollis Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Meredith Spouse's father's last name Hollis Spouse's father's first name(s) Robert
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Riley54	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:10
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Yes this is my family. My mum was born in Shirebrook. How do you know there were 12 children born
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:13
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	??????? Not seeing a marriage other than this in the right area. But can't find a Mary Ann Ball marrying a Green as yet Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription First name(s) William Last name Hollis Marriage year 1877 Parish St.John the Baptist Place Tibshelf Spouse's first name Mary Ann Spouse's last name Green Reference PC59/01/248 Register Office 393 County Derbyshire Country England England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription First name(s) WILLIAM Last name HOLLIS Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1877 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ WILLIAM HOLLIS married one of these people Mira Rawson, Mary Ann Green District Mansfield District number - County Nottinghamshire Country England Volume 7B Volume as transcribed 7B Page number 92
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:17
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	If you look at the original of the 1911 census it says on there. One of the questions to be completed on the census form was - How many children were born alive to the marriage and at this point how many are still alive and how many have died. You should always check the original document whenever you can but always be aware that mistakes do happen even there. Using the site I highlighted earlier you should be able to find all of the births and then hopefully match them to deaths https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:19
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	If you look at the transcript of the 1911 census Dermot, there is a column that asks how many children born, another asks how many have died and another asks how many are still alive. Another column asks how long the marriage has lasted but in this case, there is no figure entered.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:29
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Original image of marriage is on Ancestry (if correct marriage) Married 28th March 1877 William Hollis 22 BAchelor a Miner of Tibshelf. Father George is a Horsekeeper Mary Ann Green Spinster of Tibshelf. No Father listed witnesses - James and Emma ? CArberry - on 1881 census in Tibshelf as Carbury EDIT - see later post re Green/Ball
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:39
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	??? Am wondering about this Mary Ann Ball - b South Normanton as per census as Hollis Mother Rachel and a sister Lydia - names given to 2 of her own children 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Church Hill Monkey Park, South Normanton, Mansfield, Derbyshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Owen Ball Head - Male 35 1836 - Derbyshire, England Rachel Ball Wife - Female 32 1839 - Derbyshire, England Mary A Ball Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Derbyshire, England Joseph Ball Son - Male 9 1862 - Derbyshire, England Lydia Ball Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Derbyshire, England Frederick Ball Son - Male 3 1868 - Derbyshire, England Francis Ball Son - Male 1 1870 -
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	16 Jun 2018 21:40
	Mary Ann Ball England and Wales Census, 1861 Name: Mary Ann Ball County: Nottinghamshire Event Type: Census Event Date: 1861 Event Place: South Normanton, Nottinghamshire, England Registration District: Mansfield Residence Note: Church Hill Gender: Female Age: 2 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1859 Birthplace: South Normanton, Derbyshire Page Number: 20 Registration Number: RG09 Piece/Folio: 2425 / 71 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Owen Ball Head Male 26 South Normanton, Derbyshire Rachel Ball Wife Female 22 South Normanton, Derbyshire Mary Ann Ball Daughter Female 2 South Normanton, Derbyshire
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	16 Jun 2018 22:01
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	This is the couple who I thought could be William's parents. Not seeing them so far in 1861 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Sunny Bank, 31, Tibshelf (Derby), Mansfield, Derbyshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation George Hollis Head Married Male 50 1831 Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England General Labourer Transcription Emily Hollis Wife Married Female 45 1836 How Caple, Herefordshire, England General Labourer Wife Transcription Charles Hollis Son Single Male 24 1857 Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Coal Miner Transcription Henry Hollis Son Single Male 10 1871 Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Scholar Transcription Mary Ann Hollis Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Scholar Transcription John G Carbury Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England - Transcription James Wm Peer Boarder Lodger Single Male 27 1854 Old Basford, Nottinghamshire, England General Labourer 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Besthorpe, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Hollis Head - Male 41 1830 - Nottinghamshire, England Transcription Emma Hollis Wife - Female 35 1836 - Herefordshire, England Transcription Emma Hollis Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Nottinghamshire, England Transcription Henry Hollis Son - Male 0 1871 - Nottinghamshire, England HOLLIS, EMMA MEREDITH Order GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 293 EDIT Here they are with William. 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Besthorpe, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Holliss Head Married Male 33 1828 Agricultural Labourer Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Transcription Emily Holliss Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Herefordshire, England Transcription William Holliss Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Newport, Wales Transcription Charles Holliss Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Transcription Ema Holliss Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Transcription Luther Wilson Lodger Unmarried Male 32 1829 Agricultural Labourer Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England HOLLIS, CHARLES MEREDITH Order GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 299 Order HOLLIS, WILLIAM MEREDITH Order GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in NEWPORT Volume 11A Page 150
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Riley54	Report	16 Jun 2018 22:38
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Yes I see that now about the number of children born. I must admit I don't usually check the original document but I will now. The name Mary Ann Ball was given to me by my Mum however she'd had a stroke and her memory was not brilliant. Owen and Rachel Ball looks promising as the parents of Mary Ann
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 23:25
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	?? May be the explanation for the Ball/Green conundrum Mansfield RD covers South Normanton England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription First name(s) OWEN Last name BALL Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1858 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ OWEN BALL married one of these people Rachel Green, Alice Rowe District Mansfield District number - County Nottinghamshire Country England Volume 7B Volume as transcribed 7B Page number 77 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 but Mary Ann born before the marriage and registered as Green Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: GREEN, MARY ANN - Order GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 56 Order
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 23:29
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Owen Ball in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Owen Ball Gender: Male Marriage Age: 22 Birth Date: abt 1836 Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1858 Marriage Place: South Normanton, Derbyshire, England From original - 27 September 1858, Parish Church South Normanton By Banns Owen Ball 22 Bachelor a Collier. Father John Ball a Collier Rachel Green Spinster A servant. Father John Green a F.W.K. - Frame Work Knitter Both of South Normanton Both Signed witnesses - Joseph Renshaw and Elizabeth Green
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	16 Jun 2018 23:39
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916 Name: Mary Ann Green Baptism Date: 16 May 1858 Baptism Place: South Normanton, Derbyshire, England Search Photos: Search for 'South Normanton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Mother: Rachel Green Original - Parents names - Rachel Green - no Father named under Trade or Profession column has Single Woman (one of the nicer terms to be found given the circumstances!) So Mary Ann born as Green, so that was who she married as. Given the short time between marriage and her birth Owen may well have been the Father but you can't tell for sure if he's not named on the BC. If he was her Father though I would have thought she would have named him on the MC unless she felt it may have opened up a can of worms?? But then she used Ball as her maiden name for the children's births !
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Jun 2018 00:17
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Using the GRO site posted for births and deaths to find the other 4 children born - all Mansfield RD there are 8 names listed over the census' posted, Emily 1880, John 1884, James 1886, Charles Hy 1888, Frank (Francis Edwin) 1890, Ada Mary Ann 1892, Rachel 1896, Lydia 1901 so 4 to find Joseph 1894 died 1895 aged 0 Lucy Ellen b 1898 died 1899 aged 1 Owen b 1899 died 1899 aged 0 EDIT - there is also this one - located because he was baptised in 1882. His birth was registered mmn Green Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: HOLLIS, ROBERT GREEN Order GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 57 Order Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: HOLLIS, ROBERT 2 Order GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 36 and birth registered Liddie 1901 death as Lydia 1902 aged 0 (straddles a census ) That would make the 12 births and 5 deaths MMN given as Green for George Wm - see below and Robert (she'd been born and married as Green) but for the rest she used Ball which is the name she had always been known as. My theory is there was another birth (actually the first) as the first child showing on census is Emily b 1880, so a bit of a gap from the marriage in 3/1877 - there is this birth George William Hollis mmn Green 1878 died 1880 as George William Ball EDIT - Yes they baptised a Geo. Wm in Tibshelf 7/6/1878 (James and Emma Carberry, witnesses at the wedding, also had a child baptised a month later) So actually 13 births and 6 deaths ?
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Jun 2018 10:23
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Do you have the baptisms and marriages of the children?? Images on Ancestry and their 1939 register entries? Emily Hollis, 25, Spinster of Blackwell parish married Bertie Hall 28 a Miner Widower of the parish of Tibshelf at Blackwell 2/6/1906 Banns called May 13/20/27 Fathers - Geoffrey John Henry Hall and William Hollis, both Miners Witnesses - John Hollis and Rose Carbery ---------------------------- John Hollis aged 28 Bachelor, Miner married Ethel Ellen Pitkin aged 30 Spinster 10/5/1913 at Shirebrook Parish Church, both of the parish Fathers - William Hollis a Miner and John Pitkin a Railway Engine Driver Witnesses - William Alexander Pitkin and Ida Mary Read and John Hollis 38 Widower Miner married Mary Knight/s 48 widow 9/9/1922 at Shirebrook Parish Church Fathers- William Hollis deceased Miner and Thomas Jary Deceased Miller Witnesses - Arthur and Rachel Riley There are more, but won't put up any further until I know whether or not you have them
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Riley54	Report	17 Jun 2018 19:11
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 43 Send Message	Sorry I've not been back on today, Wow that's a brilliant amount of information. I only had some of the children's names but no partners information. other than Rachel Hollis (my grandmother) marrying Arthur Riley. My mum only talked about her mum having one sister Emily so there's not much to go on there. I would appreciate any information on the children. I notice that John Hollis was a widower is there anything on his first marriage, I will look on the GRO site too. Thank you

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