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What are the dates of the voyages you say William made to and from New Zealand?
I'm not seeing any on Ancestry - maybe you found them elsewhere.
I assume this is the 1872 voyage from Victoria which you mention:
William Blackey
in the Web: Victoria, Australia, Outward Passenger Index, 1852-1915
Name: William Blackey
Age: 64
Birth Year: abt 1808
Departure Date: Oct 1872
Departure Place: Victoria, Australia
Destination: LIVERPOOL
Ship: GREAT BRITAIN
Ship's Master: GRAY JOHN
The age is right, but otherwise there is nothing on that record to prove if that's your William or not, at least as far as it shows on Ancestry.
How do you know that's the right man, please?
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??????? IF the marriage is the right woman. Suggest you invest in a copy of the marriage cert for factual info
Name: Hannah Thompson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 62
Registration District: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 262
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Frances was listed as widow when she and the children emigrated (to Australia ?) in 1855:
William Blackey
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Blackey
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803 [ actually born 1808 ]
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Frances Blackey
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: West Derby
Sub-registration District: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 1n
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 71
Piece: 2186
Folio: 275
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
William Blackey 48
Frances Blackey 40
Joseph Blackey 10
Sarah Blackey 8
Hannah Blackey 6
Hannah Lowe 21
France Blackey
in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Name: France Blackey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Age: 44
Arrival Date: May 1855
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Salem
Nationality: English
She's a widow, travelling with Thomas 24, Joseph 13, Sarah 10, and Anna 9.
There are certainly NZ records for Frances and William Alfred Blackey (no sign of a middle name in UK records) and their daughter Frances Sarah, but I don't see travel records for William. (Apart from that possible one in 1872.)
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Wow that’s great Argyll Gran and Erika.
I sort of knew about Mary, but Thomas Blackey had lots of brothers and they all seemed to use the same names for their children. Hence the many Hannah Blackey ‘s, so I wasn’t entirely sure if it was the same Mary, but you have found the trail better than I did.
I’ll get the info about Williams journeys to you soon, as I’m not home atm.
Yes Frances did go as a widow but William went separately so I think it was a ploy to get free passage for her and the children.
I’ve been in contact with a “cousin” many times removed who is related to William as well, and he heard William did a few trips back to U.K. That seems strange as it was a long journey and expensive, and although William did well for himself in NZ, it seemed odd to return so often.
I found 2 records for William Blackey and I assumed it was he, because when he went to NZ he travelled via Oz, and that was the journeys I found on FMP. I’ll send the details soon.
Thank you for finding out so much about the 3 sisters. I’m glad Sarah lived so long, as she lost her mother when she was born, and her husband died young.
Glyn
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The 2 records I found on FMP relating to William Blackey are, the one you found for 1872 from Victoria to Liverpool, and 1888/9 Unassisted travel, NSW travellers list Vessel “Oriya” London to NSW landing in Sydney.
Other than the name I have no proof it was my William, but he married a much younger woman in 1885 and I wondered if she wanted to go to U.K.
That’s all I have
Glyn
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Earlier you said that William "emigrated to New Zealand with his family in 1854."
It was certainly between 1851 and 1855, though I don't see anything in 1854.
There's this record, following on from Frances and the children arriving in Australia in May 1855:
Wm Mr Blakey
in the Web: Victoria, Australia, Outward Passenger Index, 1852-1915
Name: Wm Mr Blakey
Age: 47
Birth Year: abt 1808
Departure Date: Oct 1855
Departure Place: Victoria, Australia
Destination: WELLINGTON
Ship: VIBILIA
Ship's Master: SCOONES G
Travelling with Mrs Francis [sic ], Joseph, Sarah, and Anna.
There are lots of travel records for men named W or William Blackie/Blakey/Blackey travelling alone to/from NZ/Australia/UK, but without any indication of age, or accompanying members of his family, it's impossible to know if any of them are the right man or not.
This one looks possible:
W A Blackey
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: W A Blackey
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 18 Oct 1907
Vessel Name: Orontes
He's ultimately heading for New Zealand. At least I assume that's what "New Zealand" in the Remarks column on the document means.
Another possibility, unprovable:
W Blachey
in the Web: Victoria, Australia, Outward Passenger Index, 1852-1915
Name: W Blachey
Age: 69
Birth Year: abt 1809
Departure Date: Mar 1878
Departure Place: Victoria, Australia
Destination: LONDON
Ship: SOMERSETSHIRE
Ship's Master: HOLT H F
Page: 008
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Thanks a lot ArgyllGran.
The 1907 voyage looked hopeful but definitely not my William Blackey as he died in 1891.
Not sure about the other, but as you say, there are lots of people with the same or similar surname..
All this information (and the emigration records previously
), are a great help to get a better picture of what happened to William and family.
As always you’ve helped me a lot and I’m grateful
Glyn
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