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Glyn
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27 Aug 2018 13:26 |
That sounds more like it as she appears in this one place and then vanishes. Thank you. I couldn’t find Mary in 1861 census which is what threw me a bit
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ArgyllGran
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27 Aug 2018 14:49 |
Mary Blackey in the 1861 England Census Name: Mary Blackey Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: 1816 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Lower Bebington County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: 2 [ Weston ?? ] Terrace Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Eastham ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 61 Piece: 2637 Folio: 44 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Mary Blackey 45 Sarah Simpson 42 - sister, widow Richard Addison 46 - lodger
Richard's still lodging with them in 1871.
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Glyn
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27 Aug 2018 16:17 |
That’s great. Thank you.
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27 Aug 2018 16:27 |
Also you were all great going back another generation to Thomas Blackey and Hannah Sutton and their children. I’ve found many Thomas Blackey’s ( common name!!) but I can’t get further back than him and Hannah. Can anyone help go further back please? Thanks again Glyn
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Glyn
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30 Aug 2018 23:27 |
Another confusing thing I’ve found relating to previous information about Thomas Blackey. I looked up the Family search site as suggested and found Land Tax Assessments for Thomas Blackey for 1784, 1786, 1789 and 1791. I’m not really sure what these are, but I assumed they were rent for land and a house. I had Thomas death as 1786 but if he’s being taxed for land etc ( he’s a farmer) then is this posthumous charges or can anyone find another da The for his death as I’ve searched in vain. Can’t find a date of death for his wife Hannah either! Thank you Glyn
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Glyn
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4 Sep 2020 10:06 |
Help needed with this missing link..... I think as the rest of the census information is on this post, I will carry on from here so everyone can see the information I have to date. William Blackey, brother to Hannah (1806/7-?), Mary (1810/1813-?), and Sarah, now Sarah Simpson, widowed, (1815-?), emigrated to New Zealand with his family in 1854. It seems he made a number of journeys back to U.K. I have found a voyage 1872 from Victoria to Liverpool. Also 1888/9 coming from London to NSW, Sydney. It is possible he made other trips back as well.
Can anyone find other trips he made? Or help me trace what happened to Hannah, last mentioned on the 1851 census as far as I’ve discovered, Mary, on 1851,1861,and 1871 census living with Sarah, and at Birkenhead. I wondered if the journeys William made to U.K. coincided with deaths or family matters relating to the 3 sisters. Finally how would I go about finding out if they owned these properties rather than renting?
It’s a big ask I know to get information on all of this, but I’ve drawn a blank, and I know how helpful and resourceful you all are. Thanks a lot Glyn :-)
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Glyn
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4 Sep 2020 10:07 |
Help needed with this missing link..... I think as the rest of the census information is on this post, I will carry on from here so everyone can see the information I have to date. William Blackey, brother to Hannah (1806/7-?), Mary (1810/1813-?), and Sarah, now Sarah Simpson, widowed, (1815-?), emigrated to New Zealand with his family in 1854. It seems he made a number of journeys back to U.K. I have found a voyage 1872 from Victoria to Liverpool. Also 1888/9 coming from London to NSW, Sydney. It is possible he made other trips back as well.
Can anyone find other trips he made? Or help me trace what happened to Hannah, last mentioned on the 1851 census as far as I’ve discovered, Mary, on 1851,1861,and 1871 census living with Sarah, and at Birkenhead. I wondered if the journeys William made to U.K. coincided with deaths or family matters relating to the 3 sisters. Finally how would I go about finding out if they owned these properties rather than renting?
It’s a big ask I know to get information on all of this, but I’ve drawn a blank, and I know how helpful and resourceful you all are. Thanks a lot Glyn :-)
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2020 13:54 |
Which Hannah in 1851 do you mean? Hannah 1807 or Hannah 1846?
Re Hannah 1846 -
her probable birth: BLACKEY, HANNAH mms DIMILOW GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1026
so she's presumably a daughter of a son of Thomas 1766
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2020 14:07 |
Re Hannah 1807 (actually born 1806, but census suggests 1807) -
??? Hannah Blackey in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Hannah Blackey Registration Year: 1852 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: West Derby Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 686 Records on Page: Name Hannah Blackey <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Conoly John Deegan John Thompson <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ancestry also suggests this as a possibility:
Hannah Blackey in the New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1937 Name: Hannah Blackey Marriage Year: 1862 Marriage Place: New Zealand Folio Number: 62/273
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Glyn
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4 Sep 2020 20:24 |
Unfortunately there are lots of Hannah Blackey ‘s in the family. It’s Williams sister Hannah, 1806, that I’m trying to find out about, along with her sisters Mary 1810 and Sarah 1815. The other Hannah 1846 is Williams daughter, and she did marry in New Zealand. It’s the 3 sisters life, and how many times William came back from NZ to either see them or settle their affairs, that I’m interested in, but can’t get any further than the information I’ve already mentioned Thanks ArgyllGran
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ErikaH
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5 Sep 2020 14:23 |
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Name: Hannah Blackey Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1806 Burial Date: 19 Sep 1852 Burial Place: Holbeck, St Matthew and New Wortley, St John the Baptist, Yorkshire, England Parish: Holbeck, St Matthew and New Wortley, St John the Baptist
LancsBMD version of the marriage posted earlier
BLACKEY Hannah THOMPSON John 1852 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/8/142 BLACKEY Hannah THOMPSON John 1852 West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/8/142
Not CofE - were they RC? Or Non-conformist?
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Glyn
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9 Sep 2020 09:30 |
I don’t know for sure but non Conformist church on occasion. Maybe the husband was. Thanks Erika and Argyll Gran for that. So Hannah married and died in the same year. Very sad. That was before William went to NZ. That leaves Sarah who may also have died, and then Mary. And the mystery of why William made 2 or more journeys back to U.K. THANKS Glyn
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 10:00 |
In 1871 (already posted), Mary Blackey 1811 and Sarah Simpson were living in Tranmere, Birkenhead.
Possible death??
Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%) Blackey Mary 79 Birkenhead 8a 411
Mary and Sarah in 1881:
Mary Blackie in the 1881 England Census Name: Mary Blackie Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Female Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Tranmere County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: 68 Mersey Rd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Housekeeper Registration District: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: Piece: 3587 Folio: 109 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Mary Blackie 70 Sarah Simpson 68
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 10:26 |
Possibly Sarah in 1891 ??
Sarah Simpson in the 1891 England Census Name: Sarah Simpson Gender: Female Age: 74 Relationship: Visitor Birth Year: 1817 Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Tranmere Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Residence Place: Tranmere, Cheshire, England Registration District: Birkenhead Sub registration district: Tranmere ED, Institution or Vessel: 18 Neighbors: Piece: 2891 Folio: 111 Household Members: Name Age Tom Y Hetherington 41 Elizabeth Hetherington 36 Robert G Hetherington 10 William Hetherington 9 Tom G Hetherington 4 Donald F Hetherington 3 Sarah Simpson 74
Ancestry's transcription lumps a couple of other families in with them, calling them all Hetherington, even though they're at different addresses.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 10:29 |
Possibly Sarah's death?? Age a little out, but depends on what the informant thought was correct.
Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%) Simpson Sarah 85 Birkenhead 8a 310
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 10:35 |
She was still with the Hetheringtons in 1901:
Sarah Simpson in the 1901 England Census Name: Sarah Simpson Age: 83 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Female Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: Rock Ferry St Peter County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Birkenhead Sub-registration District: Tranmere ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: Piece: 3398 Folio: 110 Page Number: 53 Household Schedule Number: 312 Household Members: Name Age Tom J Hetherington 51 Elizabeth Hetherington 46 Robert Y Hetherington 20 Tom Y Hetherington 14 Donald F Hetherington 13 Sarah Simpson 83
The Hetheringtons' marriage:
Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%) Foster Elizabeth Wirral 8a 537 HETHERINGTON Tom Yeoward Wirral 8a 537
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 12:22 |
In 1881 the Hetheringtons were fairly close neighbours of Mary and Sarah.
Mary and Sarah at 68 Mersey Road, and the Hetheringtons at 9 Lilly Street.
These streets don't seem to exist today, but on the census form Mersey Road is the next one after Lilly Street . Working through the form, there's 9, 7, 5, 3, and 1 Lilly Street, then 70 and 68 Mersey Road.
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ErikaH
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9 Sep 2020 15:12 |
If the 1852 death is your Hannah, the 1852 marriage can’t be.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 15:49 |
From a geographical point of view, the marriage seems more likely than the death.
So far, I can't see Hannah and John in later censuses.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2020 16:00 |
Just noticed that you already knew Mary's history, Glyn.
In 2018 you wrote:
So Thomas Blackey 1766-1854 had a daughter called Mary Blackey. She never married. I’ve found her on the 1851 and 1871 and 1881 censuses. She was born Dec 1810 and died 1890 in Birkenhead.
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