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I'm trying to find the marriage of John Rowles and Lucy ?? John was born about 1823, I think in Kingston, Surrey. His daughter, Grace Lucy was born in Kingston, about 1858 and she married John Burnman Okey (sometimes Oakey) in 1883.

Thanks.

ROWLES, GRACE ROWLES - Order
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in KINGSTON SURREY Volume 02A Page 170

ROWLES, LUCY ROWLES OUTEN Order
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 146

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Eden Street, Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rowles Head Married Male 36 1825 Chimney Sweep (Master) Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Lucy Rowles Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Mary Ann Rowles Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Lucy Rowles Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Kate Rowles Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Grace Rowles Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Harriet Rosson Servant Unmarried Female 16 1845 Servant Of All Work Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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William Preedy Servant Unmarried Male 23 1838 Assistant Sweep Wimbledon, Surrey, England
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George Watson Servant - Male 12 1849 Assistant Sweep Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Alfred Taylor Servant - Male 14 1847 Assistant Sweep Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England

ROWLES, JOSEPHINE EMMA ROWLES - Order
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in KINGSTON, SURREY Volume 02A Page 204

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Eden Street, Kingston on Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rowles Head - Male 46 1825 - Surrey, England
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Lucy O Rowles Wife - Female 46 1825 - Middlesex, England
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Lucy Rowles Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Surrey, England
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Grace Rowles Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Surrey, England
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Josephine Rowles Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Surrey, England
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Edward Love Servant - Male 19 1852 - Middlesex, England
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Frederick Hood Servant - Male 24 1847 - Lincolnshire, England

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Heathen Street, Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rowles Head Married Male 28 1823 Chimney Sweep Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Susanas Rowles Wife Married Female 25 1826 Wife Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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James Carter Servant Unmarried Male 21 1830 Chimney Sweep Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England
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Joseph Bullpit Servant Unmarried Male 21 1830 Chimney Sweep Hampshire, England
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George Gale Servant Unmarried Male 29 1822 Chimney Sweep Dorset, England
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Rob Gale Servant Unmarried Male 15 1836 Chimney Sweep Dorset, England
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William Preedy Servant Unmarried Male 15 1836 Chimney Sweep Wimbledon, Surrey, England
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Joseph Bliss Nephew Unmarried Male 4 1847 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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John Bliss Nephew Unmarried Male 3 1848 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Susannah Relleem Visitor Married Female 45 1806 No Occupation Dorset, England
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Ann Relleem Visitor Unmarried Female 2 1849 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex, England

Marriages Jun 1845 (>99%)
Bates James Windsor 6 389 Scan available - click to view
Davis Sarah Windsor 6 389 Scan available - click to view
Hughes Mary Windsor 6 389 Scan available - click to view
Rowles John Windsor 6 389 Scan available - click to view
Underwood Charles Windsor 6 389 Scan available - click to view
Walter Susannah Windsor 6 389

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) John
Last name Rowles
Name note -
Marriage year 1845
Marriage date 13 Jun 1845
Marriage place Egham
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Rowels
Spouse's first name(s) Susannah
Spouse's last name Walter
Spouse's father's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's father's last name Walter
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Baptism
County Surrey
Place Kingston Upon Thames
Church name All Saints
Register type Transcript
Baptism date 27 Apr 1823
Birth date 02 Apr 1823
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename John
Father surname ROWLES
Father occupation Chimney sweep
Mother forename Mary Ann

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(one above, from link, if relating)

Chris :)

(his Burial below, 1875 if him)

https://www.kingston.gov.uk/directory_record/93691/rowles_john


(possibly his Father below)

ROWLES, JOHN (56)
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 04 Page 160


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D130575

(Will of John Rowles, Chimney Sweeper of Kingston upon Thames , Surrey)

(above perhaps on Ancestry)


(his wife below)

Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Rowels Mary Ann Kingston 4 298

Death
ROWLLS, MARY ANN (54)
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 04 Page 298


17 July 1849 - Sussex Advertiser - Lewes, East Sussex, England

Mrs Mary Ann Rowles, aged 54, widow of the late John Rowles, master chimney sweep.

ROWLES, KATE ROWLES -
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 156

So on the face of it the girls look illigimate unless the mums was also a Rowles

So they were honest with one reg

Births Dec 1854
Outen Lucy Rowles Kingston 2a 146
Rowles Lucy Rowles Kingston 2a 146

Seems they never married

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

(as Lucy Outen, on his Probate above, 1875)

Chris :)

10 April 1875 - Surrey Comet - London, London, England

THE Executrix of the late JOHN ROWLES begs to return thanks for the liberal support given to him to for the last 21 years, and desires to announce that she is STILL CARRYING ON THE BUSINESS, and respectfully solicits a continuance of that support.

(below also!)

20 March 1875 - Surrey Comet - London, London, England

SUSANNAH ROWLES, (Widow of the late John ROWLES), CHIMNEY SWEEP, BEGS to inform the public generally that she will carry ON THE BUSINESS at BROOK STREET, Kingston-on-Thames, N.B.—All orders by post or otherwise will receive prompt attention.


(mentioned in below article)

26 December 1857 - West Surrey Times - Guildford, Surrey, England

...Susannah Rowles deposed—That on Friday morning last, she sent the prisoner to sweep a chimney at Mr. Philips's, at Hampton Wick...

Interesting article about their relationship here:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/67988328

Dea x

Father John Rowles who died in 1848......was born in 1792

John Rowles in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: John Rowles
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1792
Baptism Date: 4 May 1792
Baptism Place: Kingston Upon Thames, All Saints, Surrey, England
Father: William Rowles
Mother: Ann Rowles

Possibly his marriage to Mary Ann.....

??

John Rowles in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: John Rowles (Bachelor)
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Feb 1821
Marriage Place: Walton on Thames, Surrey, England
Spouse: Mary Ann Roberts (Spinster)
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Wife Mary Ann who died in 1849.......(Born 1795)

"The deceased died a natural death from an attack of Asiatic Cholera"

I have searched on Ancestry and FMP........but i can't find the couple on the 1841 census.

(as below PH, she is down as Ann)

Chris :)

(FMP)
Rowels John 1796 — 1841 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Kingston, Surrey, England (Sweep)

(will leave you to post in full if you want to, I'm hooverin'!!, lol)

*Tsk!* :-D

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Heathen Street M B, Kingston, Surrey, England

John Rowels Male 45 1796 (Sweep) Surrey, England (Born in County)
Ann Rowels Female 45 1796 - (Not born in County)
John Rowels Male 15 1826 Surrey, England (Born in County)
John Lewis Male 15 1826 -
James Warner Male 15 1826 Surrey, England
William Halt Male 14 1827 -
William Farrer Male 12 1829 Surrey, England

Just wondering if John wasn't free to marry Lucy because wife Susannah was still living?

??

She claims to be a Widow.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
63 Brook Street, Kingston on Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

Susannah Rowles Head - Female 43 School Mistress 1828 - Surrey, England
Thomas Groves Lodger - Male 37 1834 Sweep- Surrey, England

I can't spot her on the 1861 census.

Well seems strange, when you read back!...

Chris :)

That must be her in BROOK STREET surely?


"SUSANNAH ROWL.ES, (Widow of the late John ROWLES), CHIMNEY SWEEP, BEGS to inform the public generally that she will carry ON THE BUSINESS at BROOK STREET, "