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25 Feb 2018 18:50 |
"So is that james son and the mother is Mcintyre"
That might be James son, but there don't appear to be any other Wood/McIntyre children. Something weird is going on here!
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25 Feb 2018 18:50 |
I am getting so excited thank you so much.
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25 Feb 2018 19:12 |
Forget George Edward Charles Wood - here he is on the 1911 census
George Edward Charles Wood Age in 1911: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Relation to Head: Boarder/Pupil Gender: Male Birth Place: Charlton, Kent Civil Parish: Cheltenham County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Newick House, Upr Bath Rd, Bath Road, Cheltenham Marital Status: Single Registration district: Cheltenham Registration District Number: 333 Sub-registration district: Cheltenham ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 429 Piece: 15558
It appears to be a Boarding School.
Even if he were entered on the census in 2 different places (it does happen!) its not likely he'd be both a boarding school pupil and a Labourer
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25 Feb 2018 19:18 |
(to go with James Burial above)
Chris :)
1939 Register (Find My Past)
8 Baldwyn's Road , Dartford M.B., Kent, Anne Wood 27 Sep 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Widowed
Edits (also at above address, below couple, wasn't this Surname on other 'Thread' somewhere?)
Marriages Jun 1935 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Garrod Horace Shuter Dartford 2a 2234 Shuter Beatrice W M Garrod Dartford 2a 2234
(From 1939. Horace 14/8/11 Beatrice W. 30/1/1908)
Birth GARRARD, HORACE (PAGE) GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 1286
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Dea Report 29 Oct 2016 12:36
Where have you got the name Alice Garrod from Carol ?
Dea x Carol Report 29 Oct 2016 12:44
It came out with a family member. She said gran was garrod I did not know that.I am illegitimate and have just found out some ancestors.I did find the name Alice garrod 1907 Dartford and the name wood the same year.So when my family said the name .I was garrod it put a spanner in the works .I cannot find anything about Alice Garrod.
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25 Feb 2018 21:42 |
???
GARROD, ALICE mms PAGE GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 588
However, I don't see a likely marriage of her parents, nor do I see her definitely in 1911.
[ EDIT: Yes, she's Alice Wood in 1911. ]
A tree on Ancestry says her parents were James Garrod, and Annie Page. It doesn't have any details of either of them, except that Annie was born in Ipswich (no date).
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25 Feb 2018 21:48 |
Did James change his name for some reason ???
(Birthplace is Bramford, per 1911 on Ancestry.)
James Garrod in the 1881 England Census Name: James Garrod Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relationship to Head: Son Mother: Harriett Garrod Gender: Male Where born: Bramford, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Ipswich St Mathew County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: 52 Handford Cut Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer Registration district: Ipswich ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1868 Folio: 84 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Harriett Garrod 52 Henry Garrod 17 James Garrod 15 Thos. Grey 17 Annie H. Garrod 13 Ellen Garrod 10
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25 Feb 2018 21:56 |
Birth of the daughter Harriet ???
GARRETT, HARRIET LILY mms PAGE GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 611
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25 Feb 2018 21:58 |
Daughter Millie (transcribed as Willie in 1911) -
GARRAD, MILLIE mms PAGE GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 613
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25 Feb 2018 22:01 |
(looks about right there AG, will leave you with below (same address as 1911, and James Wood Burial)
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Burial County Kent Place Bexley Church name St Mary the Virgin Register type Parish Register Register entry number 567 Burial date 22 Oct 1945 Person age 79 Burial person forename Annie Burial person surname GARRAD Burial person abode 8 Baldwyns Road, Bexley
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25 Feb 2018 22:31 |
The family in 1901 ??
James Garrard in the 1901 England Census Name: James Garrard Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Anne Garrard Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Eynsford Ecclesiastical parish: Crockenhill All Souls Town: Crockenhill County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Dartford Sub-registration district: Farningham ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 709 Folio: 61 Page Number: 8 Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age James Garrard 35 - scaffolder / builders labourer Anne Garrard 34 James Garrard 9 George Garrard 7 Elizabeth Garrard
GARRARD, ELIZABETH mms PAGE GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1262
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25 Feb 2018 22:45 |
Annie Page's birth ??:
PAGE, ANNIE MAY mms WEBBER GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 644
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26 Feb 2018 07:37 |
So could be below...
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1871 (Find My Past) Hobart Garrard Head - Male 38 1833 - Suffolk, England (Carpenter) Harriett Garrard Wife - Female 42 1829 - Essex, England Hobart Garrard Son - Male 18 1853 - Suffolk, England Alice Garrard Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Suffolk, England Robert Garrard Son - Male 8 1863 - Suffolk, England James Garrard Son - Male 4 1867 - Suffolk (Bramford), England Horace Garrard Son - Male 6 1865 - Suffolk, England Harriet Garrard Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Suffolk, England
Birth GARROD, HORACE (HAYWARD) GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON Volume 04A Page 591
(also for James 1867, Hayward)
Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------- Garrard Hobart Ipswich 4a 1300 Hayward Harriet Ipswich 4a 1300
(notes below also)
Birth GARRARD, HOBART (PAGE) GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 616
Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- GARRARD Hobart 0 Dartford 2a 366
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26 Feb 2018 08:01 |
If Birth posted...
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Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Annie May Last name Page Birth year 1865 Baptism year 1865 Baptism date 26 Mar 1865 Parish Ipswich, St Margaret Place Ipswich Father's first name(s) William Mothers first name(s) Annie Father's occupation Ostler Residence Ipswich Notes Navarre St
1871 (Find My Past) William Page Head - Male 40 1831 - Suffolk, England (Ostler) Emma Page Wife - Female 41 1830 - Suffolk, England Gertrude Page Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Suffolk, England Emma Page Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Suffolk, England Annie Page Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Suffolk (Ipswich) England Minnie Page Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Suffolk, England Navarre Street, St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk,
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26 Feb 2018 08:11 |
Well, the address is right but Annie Snr. appears to be 'Emma' !!
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Navarre Street, St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Start free family tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Page Head - Male 40 1831 - Suffolk, England - Ostler Transcription Emma Page Wife - Female 41 1830 - Suffolk, England Transcription Gertrude Page Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Suffolk, England Transcription Emma Page Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Suffolk, England Transcription **Annie Page Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Suffolk, England Transcription Minnie Page Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Suffolk, England
Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%) LOCKWOOD Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view PAGE William Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view** Ralph Charles Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view WEBBER Emma Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view**
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26 Feb 2018 08:16 |
No, that can't be the right Annie.
Annie M. Page in the 1881 England Census Name: Annie M. Page Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relationship to Head: Sister Gender: Female Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Dedham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Princel Green Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Domestic Serv Out Of Place Registration district: Lexden ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1800 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Gertrude Page 24 Annie M. Page
Annie M Page in the 1901 England Census Name: Annie M Page Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Female Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Pangbourne Ecclesiastical parish: Pangbourne St James Town: Large County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Tilehurst ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1142 Folio: 124 Page Number: 42 Household schedule number: 255 Household Members: Name Age William Kent 45 Ruth Kent 41 Ruth Wigmore 14 Annie M Page 37
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26 Feb 2018 08:22 |
(lol, thought she was too easy to find!!)
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(and probably no help, but Bramford was also given 1911 for her Birthplace)
Where is James 1891?...(as below)
1891 (Find My Past) James Wood Head Married Male 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England General Labourer Ann Wood Wife Married Female 28 1863 Ipswich, Suffolk, England - Nellie Wood Daughter - Female 0 1891 (7mo?) North Woolwich, Kent, England Albert Road, Woolwich, London & Kent,
(1891 Census taken, 5th April)
(if below?)
Birth PAGE, NELLIE - GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1104
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26 Feb 2018 08:52 |
(oh dear, and haven't got time to search further, but below, lol)
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Baptism County Kent Place Dartford Church name Christ Church Register type Parish Register Register entry number 151 Baptism date 16 Dec 1913 Birth date Aug 1911 Person forename Horace Person sex M Person abode 8 Baldwins Road Father forename James Father surname WOOD Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Annie
Baptism County Kent Place Dartford Church name Christ Church Register type Parish Register Register entry number 149 Baptism date 16 Dec 1913 Birth date Jun 1904 Person forename Millie Person sex F Person abode 8 Baldwins Road Father forename James Father surname WOOD Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Annie
Baptism County Kent Place Dartford Church name Christ Church Register type Parish Register Register entry number 150 Baptism date 16 Dec 1913 Birth date 1907 Person forename Alice Person sex F Person abode 8 Baldwins Road Father forename James Father surname WOOD Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Annie
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
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Baptism County Kent Place Dartford Church name Christ Church Register type Parish Register Register entry number 152 Baptism date 16 Dec 1913 Birth date 26 Sep 1913 Person forename Maude Annie Person sex F Person abode 8 Baldwins Road Father surname WOOD Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Elizabeth
Births Dec 1913 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ Wood Maud A Wood Dartford 2a 1173
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26 Feb 2018 09:05 |
GARRARD, HORACE mms PAGE GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 1286
So, for some reason, the family are sometimes calling themselves Wood, and sometimes Garrard/Garrod/other variation.
I still can't see any marriage between James and Annie, under either name.
Unless James was using yet another surname at the time! Or Annie had been married before. Maybe she was still married, and never married James.
I keep being drawn to this one (probably a red herring) - but can't find any of these people in 1891, to see which woman married which man:
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%) DIGGORY William Woolwich 1d 1643 FORBES James Woolwich 1d 1643 Page Annie Woolwich 1d 1643 WORSLEY Maria Woolwich 1d 1643
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26 Feb 2018 11:14 |
I wonder if they were not married and annie was Garrad ,Garrod or Garrard and James was wood that is why they changed names.either one of them might of been married before.Thank you so much for your help.Past catching up on them I think. something fishy.Thank you so much all of you I was surprized once again.You are all ace.The family are going to be more confused now .lol xx
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26 Feb 2018 11:58 |
Annie wasn't Garrod (or similar).
James was Garrod in 1881 and Garrard in 1871 (both censuses posted above). Chris has also given his parents' details - Hobart and Harriet.
Annie's ms is given as Page in all the children's birth records we've found, so it seems certain that was her ms.
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