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Interesting that Antonia's stage name was Rose.

That was her mother's middle name:

Emma Rosa Pinfield
in the England, Pallot's Baptism Index, 1780-1837
Name: Emma Rosa Pinfield
Baptism Date: 1829
Parent 1: Hy Pinfield
Parent 2: RebeccaPinfield
Parish: St. Pancras
County: Middlesex


Emma Rose Pilarski
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emma Rose Pilarski
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 195


Emma Pinfield
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Emma Pinfield
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: 1837
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 110
Folio: 124
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Pinfield 80
Eliza Pinfield 30
Emma Pinfield 24
Antonia P Pinfield 6 - grand-daughter [later surname Pilarski]
James W Holmes 13 - grandson
Stephen Sreredy 2 - grandson [Saint Stevens Joseph Szeredy per his birth record - and died 1861


Emma Pilarski
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Emma Pilarski
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Parent's Name: Rebeca Penfield
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 410
Piece: 151
Folio: 62
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebeca Penfield 67
Emma Pilarski 34
Antonia Pilarski 17
Jeddie Pilarski 2 [ Jessie]

Jessie married Daniel Cooper Thomas in 1886, giving her father's name as Leopold Pilarski, deceased. No sign of him in BMD's or censuses.


The Pinfield girls seemed to meet interesting foreigners - but not marry them.

I can't find a birth for Jessie,but trees have her as Agnes Mary/Mary Agnes as she appears on later census's a Agnes Mary Thomas.

Leopold Pilarski was also Alexander Leopold according to some trees and he arrived in Hull 15/4/1852
1861 census for there mum Emma Rose does it read she is a widow, if so who is dad to Jessie?

Maryb.

Probate details (1886) on below, Widower, also mentions Richard Hughes (Brother by the the Half blood) Photographer. (Alfred, late of 46 Pelham Street, Kensington)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(at 46 Pelham Street 1881, Annie Goacher)

Chris :)

All London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003 (Ancestry)

Alfred Arthur Hughes
Burial 30 Sep 1886 Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, Lambeth
(Abode, 99 Cowley Road Brixton)

Thanks Chris, I found that via Ancestry, but although I no longer think its the correct Arthur Hughes, I'd like to find a connection to Richard, as its interesting that another Hughes is a photographer. The only one I could find in the 1881 was a prisoner in Lewes Jail. I now think "my" Arthur was still alive in 1911. Check the post just above your previous one.

Maryb -

1861 - 91 - Emma Pinfield / Pilarski says she's widowed, in all the censuses.


Jessie Pilarski
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jessie Pilarski
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Marlebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 81 Gt Tichfield St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Marylebone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 135
Folio: 107
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age

Rebecca Pinfield 81
Emma Pilarski 47
Jessie Pilarski 11


Two anomalies - in 1861 Emma's mother is called Mary (born 1781 Huntingdonshire), and in 1851 and 1871 she's called Rebecca (born 1804, Huntingdonshire).

And Emma was baptised 1829, but the censuses give her YOB as 1837.

[sorry, Jan - we're - or at least I am - digressing away from Arthur.]

I'll start following this line back soon, so thanks for all the information. They are all my sons' ancestors.

Below is about?...

Chris :)

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Rebecca
Last name Day
Marriage year 1821
Marriage date 20 Apr 1821
Marriage place Great Staughton
Spouse's first name(s) Henry
Spouse's last name Pinfield
Residence Great Staughton, Huntingdon, England
County Huntingdonshire


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Pinfield
Gender Female
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 18 Aug 1822
Residence Great Staughton, Huntingdon, England
Place Great Staughton
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Pinfield
Mother's first name(s) Rebecca
Mother's last name Pinfield


Regarding Richard Hughes (Photographer) and Prisoner, Lewes, Sussex 1881)


1891 (Find My Past)
Richard Hughes Head Married Male 48 1843 London (St. Georges) Middlesex, England Photographer
Jane Hughes Wife Married Female 43 1848 Warwickshire, England -
Walter Hughes Son Single Male 20 1871 Sussex (Brighton), England Assistant Photographer
Lillian Smoothey Servant Single Female 15 1876 London, Middlesex, England Domestic
Mulgrave Road, Sutton, Epsom, Surrey


1871 (Find My Past)
Richard Hughes Head - Male 26 1845 - Middlesex, England (Assistant Photographer)
Jane Hughes Wife - Female 23 1848 - Warwickshire, England
Richard A Hughes Son - Male 2 1869 - Kent, England
Walter R Hughes Son - Male 0 1871 - Sussex, England
Richmond Street Seward House, Brighton, Sussex


Birth
HUGHES, WALTER ROBERT (FITTER)
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 221


Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
Fitter Jane Poplar 1c 1162
HUGHES Richard Poplar 1c 1162


London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931 (Ancestry)

Richard Hughes
20 Aug 1867 All Saints, Poplar
Jane Fitter
(Full Age, Bachelor, occ. Publican. Father, John Hughes, occ. Wholesale Clothier. Her Father, John Fitter, occ. Builder. Wits. John Fitter, Rebecca Fitter)


(if below, not seeing on GRO Index)

All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)

Richard James Vaughan Hughes
28 Jan 1844 (Born Dec. 21 1843) St George in the East Tower Hamlets
John,
Sarah
(Father occ. Slop Cutter. Abode, Solomon's Terrace)


(perhaps similar below)

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/s.html

Slopseller 1) Slopshop keeper - readymade clothes 2) Basket seller

(but all seems confusing!)

Thanks Chris, I'll try to see if there is a connection to Alfred Arthur Hughes.

(adds below, for what looks like above family)

Chris :)

1851 (Find My Past)
John Hughes Head Married Male 40 1811 Tailors Foreman Cutter Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Sarah Hughes Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Essex, England
Eliza Hughes Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Seamstress London, England
Alfred Hughes Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Errand Boy London (St. Martin's Ludgate) England
John Hughes Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Richard Hughes Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Henry Hughes Son - Male 5 1846 Scholar St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Frederick Street, Saint George in the East, St George in the East, London & Middlesex,


(possible below)

Birth
HUGHES, ALFRED ARTHUR (KEMP)
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in WEST LONDON UNION Volume 02 Page 204

My Alfred Hughes is in the 1851 with father John, carpenter, and mother Harriet.

Why am I doing this to myself?

Do you have the birth certificate for Arthur leopold Hughes 1873 or his baptism records.
Do either of them give an address.

Is this the death of Alfred son of John and Harriett

Alfred died 1909 Kensington 1909 V1a P153

Maryb.

(if you mean family at below 1851)

Chris :)

1851 (Find My Past)
John Hughes Head Married Male 45 1806 Master Carpenter Essex, England
Harriet Hughes Wife Married Female 39 1812 - Colchester, Essex, England
John Hughes Son - Male 15 1836 Scholars Camberwell, Surrey, England
William Hughes Son - Male 14 1837 Scholars Camberwell, Surrey, England
Vernon Hughes Son - Male 9 1842 Scholars Camberwell, Surrey, England
Alfred Hughes Son - Male 2 1849 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Frederick Hughes Son - Male 0 1851 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Ann Hughes Sister - Female 52 1799 - Colchester, Essex, England
6, Hebron Terrace, St Giles Camberwell, Camberwell, London & Surrey,


Birth
HUGHES, VERNON (HALL)
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 04 Page 39

Birth
HUGHES, ALFRED (HALL)
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 04 Page 50


County Essex
Place Colchester
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 550
Marriage date 30 Apr 1834
Groom forename John
Groom surname HUGHES
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Camberwell, Surrey
Bride forename Harriett
Bride surname HALL
Bride parish St Botolphs
Witness J.H. THEOBALD
Witness Lydia COLE
Register note Both signed. Seax DP 200-1-17

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(apologies, just adding quick, as hairdressers visit shortly!)

Edits

(Marriage 1934, who to?)

Birth cert of Arthur Leopold February 1873 - father Arthur Alfred Hughes, photographer, 17 Foley Street, Marylebone. - which someone told me was a public house.
https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Marylebone/YorkMinster.shtml

I've been trying to find a trade directory for 1871-1891, but no luck so far- 2 photographers named Hughes seems quite strange in that era.

1881 (Find My Past) (Reference)
John Hughes Head Married Male 75 1806 Great Bromley, Essex, England Carpenter
Harriet Hughes Wife Married Female 68 1813 Colchester, Essex, England -
Alfred Hughes Son Single Male 32 1849 Camberwell, Surrey, England Photographers Assist
Harriet Hughes Daughter Single Female 27 1854 Peckham, Surrey, England Dressmaker
2, Princes Yard, Kensington, London & Middlesex


(not seeing how he relates to 1886 Probate (half blood brother, Richard, Photographer, Probate also states Widower, for Alfred Arthur)

Chris :)

(seems so confusing)

The one in 1886 probate is wrong, sadly, but still raises the question of two with the name of Hughes being photographers at that time. I did say this yesterday at 19:14 UK time.

In 1891 Alfred was Photographer, in 1901 Carpenter at same address as in 1891, and in 1901 also Carpenter. With sister Harriet in 1891 and 1901. Changes of career seem to be hereditary.

1891 he was a Carpenter + 1901.

I can't find him 1911,where is he please.

Maryb.

Sorry, typing mistake in previous message - found him up to 1901. Not found in 1911 so far. Will correct my previous message.