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21 Aug 2022 12:20 |
Name: John William Beacham Gender: Male Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1866 Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1887 Marriage Place: Erdington, St Barnabas, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Erdington, St Barnabas Search Photos: Search for 'Erdington, St Barnabas' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Henry Beacham Spouse: Sarah Ann Fisher
Name: John William Beacham Gender: Male Document Year: 1913 Residence Place: Erdington Birmingham Relationship to Soldier: Father Form Title: Military History Sheet Number of Images: 18 Other Records: Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Thomas Arthur Beacham Self (Head) Charles Beacham Brother George Beacham Brother John William Beacham Fathe
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:24 |
BEACHAM, FRANCIS VICTOR WHARTON GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in STOW ON THE WOLD Volume 06A Page 390
BEACHAM, JESSICA SARAH WHARTON GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in STOW ON THE WOLD Volume 06A Page 409
BEACHAM, RICHARD WHARTON GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in STOW ON THE WOLD Volume 06A Page 402
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%) Beacham John William Aston 6d 422 Fisher Sarah Ann Aston 6d 422
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:28 |
Name: John Beecham Enlistment Age: 15 Birth Date: abt 1869 Birth Place: Kingham Oxford Enlistment Year: 1884 Regiment: Hyle Bngade Regimental Number: 6825 Attestation Paper: Yes
Guessing you have this record - if so, what was the address at which he was living when he enlisted?
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 12:34 |
His army record (BEECHAM) in 1884 says he was born in Kingham in 1869.
In 1901 (John BEAUCHAM 1866) he's a labourer at a gasworks, and said to be born in Oxford.
In 1911 (John BEACHAM 1868) he's a stoker at a gasworks, born Kingham, Oxfordshire.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:42 |
Name: Jessica Sarah Beacham Gender: Female Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1880 Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1901 Marriage Place: St Chrysostom, Peckham, Southwark, England Father: Henry John Beacham Spouse: Frederick William Winter Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Jessica Beecham Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Henry Beecham Mother: Annie Beecham Gender: Female Where born: Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Broadwell County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Broadwell Parish Registration District: Stow On The Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 2563 Folio: 83 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Henry Beecham 31 Annie Beecham 24 Daisy Beecham 5 Richard Beecham 2 Jessica Beecham 1
Name: Daisy Louisa Beacham Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Apr 1876 Baptism Place: Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England Father: Henry John Beacham Mother: Mary Caroline Beacham
Name: Henry John Beauchamp [Henry John Beacham] Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1850 Baptism Place: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Father: Francis Beauchamp Mother: Sarah Beauchamp
Name: Henry John Beacham Gender: Male Age: Full Age Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Oct 1874 Marriage Place: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Kingham Spouse: Mary Caroline Wheeler Father: Francis Beacham
Name: Mary Caroline Beacham Death Date: 6 Feb 1876 Death Place: Gloucestershire, England Probate Date: 4 Jul 1879 Probate Registry: Principal Registry
1861 Name: Henry John Beacham Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: 1851 Relation: Son Father's Name: Francis Beacham Mother's Name: Sarah Beacham Gender: Male Where born: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Adlestrop County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stow On The Wold Sub-registration district: Stow on the Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Piece: 1790 Folio: 73 Page number: 8 Household Members Age Relationship Francis Beacham 34 Head Sarah Beacham 30 Wife Henry John Beacham 10 Son Arthur Beacham 7 Son Richard Beacham 4 Son Frank Beacham 2 Son Laura Beacham8/12 Daughter Emma Bryan20 Servant Mary Ann Parttan15 Servant
1871 Name: Henry John Beacham Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: 1851 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Addlestrop County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stow On The Wold Sub-registration district: Stow on the Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 46 Piece: 2655 Folio: 5 Page number: 9 Household Members Age Relationship Francis Beacham 43 Head Sarah Beacham 40 Wife Henry John Beacham 20 Son Frank Beacham 12 Son Walter Beacham 8 Son George Beacham 5 Son Sarah Beacham 1 Daughter Dinah Collett 17 Servant Elizabeth Saul 16 Servant
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 12:48 |
Birth of supposed sister Daisy - according to the tree details posted earlier:
BEACHAM, DAISY LOUISA mmn WHEELER GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in CHIPPING NORTON Volume 03A Page 705
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%) BEACHAM Henry John Chipping N. 3a 1275 WHEELER Mary Caroline Chipping N. 3a 1275
Mary Caroline Beacham in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Mary Caroline Beacham Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place: Stow on the Wold, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Death Date: Mar 1876 Inferred Death Place: Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Volume: 6a Page: 289
Henry Beecham in the 1881 England Census Name: Henry Beecham Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Annie Beecham Gender: Male Where born: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Broadwell County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Broadwell Parish Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Steward (D) Registration District: Stow On The Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 2563 Folio: 83 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Henry Beecham 31 Annie Beecham 24 Daisy Beecham 5 Richard Beecham 2 Jessica Beecham 1
John William was therefore born before his mother's marriage - IF Mary Caroline was indeed his mother.
So far, can't see the birth of a John William Wheeler 1867 +/- 2. In fact , no illegitimate Wheeler of any first name in Chipping Norton RD 1867 +/-2. Nor any illegitimate John William Wheeler born anywhere else in England/Wales in those years.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:56 |
It wasn't until 1875 that penalties were introduced for not registering births in England/Wales
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:57 |
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Name: Mary Wheeler Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: 1848 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Bleddington, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Moreton in the Marsh Ecclesiastical parish: Gloucester County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Shipston On Stour Sub-registration district: Moreton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 24 Piece: 3215 Folio: 114 Page number: 4 Household Members Age Relationship Ann Wheeler 50 Head Mary Wheeler 23 Daughter Lucy Wheeler 20 Daughter Horace Rouse 21 Lodger
No record of a child.......................
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 14:04 |
Perhaps he's an illegitimate child of Henry Beaham, but not of Mary Caroline Wheeler. Possibly registered under his therefore unknown mother's surname.
Assuming he was actually born in Kingham, this is the only illegitimate John William around that time;
THORNTON, JOHN WILLIAM - GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in CHIPPING NORTON Volume 03A Page 732
John William Thornton in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 Name: John William Thornton Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1870 Baptism Place: Salford, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Salford Mother: Hannah Thornton
Salford is approx 5 miles from Kingham.
However, he's accounted for, at least to 1901, so not JW Beacham:
1871: in Salford with mother and grandparents. Hannah married Alfred Woodward in 1874, and John had the name Woodward in 1881. By 1891 he'd reverted to the name Thornton (born 1870 Oxford), and was a groom at Woodeston House Stables at Wood Eaton, Oxfordshire, working for John Weyland. By 1894 he'd moved to Lancashire, and he married Mary Ridyard there, naming his father as Alfred Thornton. 1901: with wife and daughter Emma (3) in Gorton, Lancs.
I think we have to assume JWB's birth wasn't registered.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 14:53 |
To expand on the 1887 marriage info, the father was recorded as being a labourer - and not said to be 'deceased' Witnesses names unconnected
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 15:55 |
John Beacham is in a GR member's tree - try making contact
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 19:15 |
Even if his birth wasn't registered, he should still be on 1871, 1881, 1891 censuses - though might have been abroad with the army in 1891.
But there's no sign of him, not even under another name, as far as I can see.
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 20:05 |
Desperately grasping at straws! Here's an unexplained child - wrong stated birthplace, but might be a mistake ???
John Beacham in the 1871 England Census Name: John Beacham Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: 1868 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Little Sutton Ecclesiastical parish: Hooton County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Eastham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 71 Piece: 3740 Folio: 61 Page number: 15 Household Members Age Relationship John Stringer Berwick 54 Head - single , Manchester [ actual age 59, born 1812] Sarah Berwick 56 Sister - single - Manchester Ellen B Berwick 52 Sister - single - Manchester Elizabeth Williams 45 Servant - single, Anglesey Elizabeth Williams 14 Visitor - Chester John Beacham 3 Visitor
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