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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 20:05 |
Desperately grasping at straws! Here's an unexplained child - wrong stated birthplace, but might be a mistake ???
John Beacham in the 1871 England Census Name: John Beacham Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: 1868 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Little Sutton Ecclesiastical parish: Hooton County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Eastham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 71 Piece: 3740 Folio: 61 Page number: 15 Household Members Age Relationship John Stringer Berwick 54 Head - single , Manchester [ actual age 59, born 1812] Sarah Berwick 56 Sister - single - Manchester Ellen B Berwick 52 Sister - single - Manchester Elizabeth Williams 45 Servant - single, Anglesey Elizabeth Williams 14 Visitor - Chester John Beacham 3 Visitor
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21 Aug 2022 19:15 |
Even if his birth wasn't registered, he should still be on 1871, 1881, 1891 censuses - though might have been abroad with the army in 1891.
But there's no sign of him, not even under another name, as far as I can see.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 15:55 |
John Beacham is in a GR member's tree - try making contact
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 14:53 |
To expand on the 1887 marriage info, the father was recorded as being a labourer - and not said to be 'deceased' Witnesses names unconnected
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 14:04 |
Perhaps he's an illegitimate child of Henry Beaham, but not of Mary Caroline Wheeler. Possibly registered under his therefore unknown mother's surname.
Assuming he was actually born in Kingham, this is the only illegitimate John William around that time;
THORNTON, JOHN WILLIAM - GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in CHIPPING NORTON Volume 03A Page 732
John William Thornton in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 Name: John William Thornton Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1870 Baptism Place: Salford, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Salford Mother: Hannah Thornton
Salford is approx 5 miles from Kingham.
However, he's accounted for, at least to 1901, so not JW Beacham:
1871: in Salford with mother and grandparents. Hannah married Alfred Woodward in 1874, and John had the name Woodward in 1881. By 1891 he'd reverted to the name Thornton (born 1870 Oxford), and was a groom at Woodeston House Stables at Wood Eaton, Oxfordshire, working for John Weyland. By 1894 he'd moved to Lancashire, and he married Mary Ridyard there, naming his father as Alfred Thornton. 1901: with wife and daughter Emma (3) in Gorton, Lancs.
I think we have to assume JWB's birth wasn't registered.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:57 |
1871
Name: Mary Wheeler Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: 1848 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Bleddington, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Moreton in the Marsh Ecclesiastical parish: Gloucester County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Shipston On Stour Sub-registration district: Moreton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 24 Piece: 3215 Folio: 114 Page number: 4 Household Members Age Relationship Ann Wheeler 50 Head Mary Wheeler 23 Daughter Lucy Wheeler 20 Daughter Horace Rouse 21 Lodger
No record of a child.......................
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:56 |
It wasn't until 1875 that penalties were introduced for not registering births in England/Wales
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21 Aug 2022 12:48 |
Birth of supposed sister Daisy - according to the tree details posted earlier:
BEACHAM, DAISY LOUISA mmn WHEELER GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in CHIPPING NORTON Volume 03A Page 705
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%) BEACHAM Henry John Chipping N. 3a 1275 WHEELER Mary Caroline Chipping N. 3a 1275
Mary Caroline Beacham in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Mary Caroline Beacham Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place: Stow on the Wold, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Death Date: Mar 1876 Inferred Death Place: Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Volume: 6a Page: 289
Henry Beecham in the 1881 England Census Name: Henry Beecham Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Annie Beecham Gender: Male Where born: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Broadwell County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Broadwell Parish Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Steward (D) Registration District: Stow On The Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 2563 Folio: 83 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Henry Beecham 31 Annie Beecham 24 Daisy Beecham 5 Richard Beecham 2 Jessica Beecham 1
John William was therefore born before his mother's marriage - IF Mary Caroline was indeed his mother.
So far, can't see the birth of a John William Wheeler 1867 +/- 2. In fact , no illegitimate Wheeler of any first name in Chipping Norton RD 1867 +/-2. Nor any illegitimate John William Wheeler born anywhere else in England/Wales in those years.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:42 |
Name: Jessica Sarah Beacham Gender: Female Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1880 Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1901 Marriage Place: St Chrysostom, Peckham, Southwark, England Father: Henry John Beacham Spouse: Frederick William Winter Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Jessica Beecham Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Henry Beecham Mother: Annie Beecham Gender: Female Where born: Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Broadwell County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Broadwell Parish Registration District: Stow On The Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 2563 Folio: 83 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Henry Beecham 31 Annie Beecham 24 Daisy Beecham 5 Richard Beecham 2 Jessica Beecham 1
Name: Daisy Louisa Beacham Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Apr 1876 Baptism Place: Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England Father: Henry John Beacham Mother: Mary Caroline Beacham
Name: Henry John Beauchamp [Henry John Beacham] Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1850 Baptism Place: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Father: Francis Beauchamp Mother: Sarah Beauchamp
Name: Henry John Beacham Gender: Male Age: Full Age Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Oct 1874 Marriage Place: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Kingham Spouse: Mary Caroline Wheeler Father: Francis Beacham
Name: Mary Caroline Beacham Death Date: 6 Feb 1876 Death Place: Gloucestershire, England Probate Date: 4 Jul 1879 Probate Registry: Principal Registry
1861 Name: Henry John Beacham Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: 1851 Relation: Son Father's Name: Francis Beacham Mother's Name: Sarah Beacham Gender: Male Where born: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Adlestrop County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stow On The Wold Sub-registration district: Stow on the Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Piece: 1790 Folio: 73 Page number: 8 Household Members Age Relationship Francis Beacham 34 Head Sarah Beacham 30 Wife Henry John Beacham 10 Son Arthur Beacham 7 Son Richard Beacham 4 Son Frank Beacham 2 Son Laura Beacham8/12 Daughter Emma Bryan20 Servant Mary Ann Parttan15 Servant
1871 Name: Henry John Beacham Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: 1851 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Addlestrop County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stow On The Wold Sub-registration district: Stow on the Wold ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 46 Piece: 2655 Folio: 5 Page number: 9 Household Members Age Relationship Francis Beacham 43 Head Sarah Beacham 40 Wife Henry John Beacham 20 Son Frank Beacham 12 Son Walter Beacham 8 Son George Beacham 5 Son Sarah Beacham 1 Daughter Dinah Collett 17 Servant Elizabeth Saul 16 Servant
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2022 12:34 |
His army record (BEECHAM) in 1884 says he was born in Kingham in 1869.
In 1901 (John BEAUCHAM 1866) he's a labourer at a gasworks, and said to be born in Oxford.
In 1911 (John BEACHAM 1868) he's a stoker at a gasworks, born Kingham, Oxfordshire.
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:28 |
Name: John Beecham Enlistment Age: 15 Birth Date: abt 1869 Birth Place: Kingham Oxford Enlistment Year: 1884 Regiment: Hyle Bngade Regimental Number: 6825 Attestation Paper: Yes
Guessing you have this record - if so, what was the address at which he was living when he enlisted?
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 12:24 |
BEACHAM, FRANCIS VICTOR WHARTON GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in STOW ON THE WOLD Volume 06A Page 390
BEACHAM, JESSICA SARAH WHARTON GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in STOW ON THE WOLD Volume 06A Page 409
BEACHAM, RICHARD WHARTON GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in STOW ON THE WOLD Volume 06A Page 402
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%) Beacham John William Aston 6d 422 Fisher Sarah Ann Aston 6d 422
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Maddie
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21 Aug 2022 12:20 |
Name: John William Beacham Gender: Male Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1866 Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1887 Marriage Place: Erdington, St Barnabas, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Erdington, St Barnabas Search Photos: Search for 'Erdington, St Barnabas' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Henry Beacham Spouse: Sarah Ann Fisher
Name: John William Beacham Gender: Male Document Year: 1913 Residence Place: Erdington Birmingham Relationship to Soldier: Father Form Title: Military History Sheet Number of Images: 18 Other Records: Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Thomas Arthur Beacham Self (Head) Charles Beacham Brother George Beacham Brother John William Beacham Fathe
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Maddie
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21 Aug 2022 12:00 |
from a tree on ancestry
John William BEACHAM Birth 1868 • Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Death JUN 1933 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Birth 1868 • Kingham, Oxfordshire, England
18768 Death of mother Mary Caroline Wheeler(1846–1876) 6 Feb 1876 • Stow on the Wold, Gloucestershire
18768 Birth of half-sister Daisy Beecham(1876–) abt 1876 • Kingham, Oxfordshire, England
187911 Birth of half-brother Richard Beacham(1879–) 1879 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188012 Birth of half-sister Jessica Sarah Beacham(1880–1960) 1880 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188214 Birth of half-sister Joyce Beacham(1882–) 1882 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188416 Military 1884
Hyle Brigade.
188517 Birth of half-brother William Harry Beacham(1885–) 1885 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188719 Marriage 19 Jun 1887 • Erdington, St Barnabas, Warwickshire, England Sarah Ann Fisher
(1869–1914)
188719 Birth of half-brother Francis Victor Beacham(1887–) 1887 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
189224 Birth of son Charles Henry BEACHAM(1892–1938) 1892 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
189527 Birth of son Thomas Arthur BEACHAM(1895–1969) 12 Feb 1895 • Erdington, Warwickshire
189527 Occupation 1895 • Rose Cottage, Erdington, Warwickshire, England
occupation on baptism of son Thomas : labourer at gasworks.
189729 Birth of daughter Louisa Florence Beacham(1897–) Dec 1897 • Aston, Warwickshire, United Kingdom,
189830 Death of father Henry John Beacham(1850–1898) July 1898 • Camberwell, London, England
190032 Birth of daughter Lily May BEACHAM(1900–1978) Mar 1900 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
190133 Birth of son George Enoch Beecham(1901–1971) 1 Dec 1901 • Aston, Warwickshire
190133 Residence 1901 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
Age: 35; Relation to Head of House: Head
190537 Birth of daughter Laura Hannah Beacham(1905–) Mar 1905 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
190941 Birth of daughter Annie Elizabeth Beecham(1909–1996) 22 May 1909 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
191143 Residence 02 Apr 1911 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
Age: 43; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head. 11, Moorend Road. Gas Worker.
191244 Residence 1912 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
191345 Residence 1913 • Erdington Birmingham
Other Records: Father
191446 Death of wife Sarah Ann Fisher(1869–1914) Mar 1914 • Warwickshire, United Kingdom
191446 Residence 1914 • Erdington Birmingham England
Other Records: Father
191547 Marriage 28 Nov 1915 • Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire, England Ellen Smith
(1896–1970)
192355 Birth of son Charles Arthur Beacham(1923–1994) 11 May 1923 • Aston, Warwickshire
192658 Birth of daughter Violet Jean Beacham(1926–2000) 29 Mar 1926 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
192759 Residence 1927 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
56, Albert Cottages.
193062 Residence 1930 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193365 Death Jun 1933 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
parents
Henry John Beacham
1850–1898 Mary Caroline Wheeler
1846–1876
1901 Name John Beaucham Age 35 Estimated Birth Year 1866 Relation to Head Head Gender Male Spouse Sarah Beaucham Birth Place Oxford, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish Erdington Ecclesiastical parish Erdington St Barnabas County/Island Warwickshire Country England Registration district Aston Sub-registration district Erdington ED, institution, or vessel 15 Neighbors View others on page Piece 2876 Folio 131 Page number 14 Household schedule number 96
1911 Record details Name John Beacham Age in 1911 43 Estimated Birth Year 1868 Relation to Head Head Gender Male Birth Place Kingham, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish Erdington Country England Street Address 11 Moorend Lane Erdington Marital Status Married Occupation Gasworker Stoker Registration District Number 385 Sub-registration district Erdinton ED, institution, or vessel 05 Piece 18324 Household membersName Age John Beacham 43 Sarah Ann Beacham 42 Charley Beacham 19 Thomas Beacham 16 Louie Beacham 13 Lily Beacham 11 George Beacham 9 Laura Beacham 6 Annie Beacham 2
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ErikaH
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21 Aug 2022 11:28 |
This is a very old thread and the poster is unlikely to be expecting a response, and is probably in no way connected to your relation, in view of the location
Where have you looked?
Who, when and where did JWB marry? How do you know he was born in Kingham?
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21 Aug 2022 11:28 |
Doreen
It would probably be better to delete this and start your own thread on Military Chat. It would also be a good idea to say where you have looked and which regiment he was in.
Edit: as so much information has now been added to this thread please DO NOT delete and restart.
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Doreen
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21 Aug 2022 11:12 |
I am looking for my great grandfather John William Beacham born in Kingham in 1866/68 ,but cannot find him anywhere in Kingham ,I only know that his father is stated on his Army papers as Henry Beacham and Army No is 6825 and not sure when he was discharged Thank you Doreen Beacham Powell.
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Glyn
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21 Feb 2018 18:55 |
That’s fantastic. Thanksgreyghost
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greyghost
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21 Feb 2018 14:39 |
British Army Service Records Transcription
First name(s) James Last name Beacham Birth year - Year 1865-75 Regiment 8th Foot Regiment / service number as transcribed 8th Foot Pension year 1824 Series Wo 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Admission Books, Registers, And Papers 1702-1876 Archive The National Archives Archive reference WO 23 Piece number 56 Piece description Foot Guards to 10 Foot. Year range 1865-1875
District 1865 column says Bath - with Gloucester 1/7 and Bath ¼ written underneath
1873 says Bath
There are 2 columns for Rate of pension - one for shillings and another for pence. Both of his columns have . in them (the one above his for example says . for shillings and 9 for pence)
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21 Feb 2018 14:31 |
British Army Service Records Transcription Learn more
Print transcription View image Add to tree First name(s) Jas Last name Beacham Birth year - Year 1855-66 Regiment 8th Foot Regiment / service number as transcribed 8th Foot Pension year 1824 Series Wo 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Admission Books, Registers, And Papers 1702-1876 Archive The National Archives Archive reference WO 23 Piece number 46 Piece description Foot Guards to 10 Foot. Year range 1855-1866 Record set British Army Service Records Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Same date 24 Nov 1824. Residence given as Bath
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