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Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	17 Jan 2018 19:51
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	This is complicated! Above is my great grandfather. I am trying to work out how to order his birth certificate to find out who his father was. So far I have his marriage certificate He married Elizabeth Waine 13/11/1871 in whiston. On the certificate william’s father is blank. I have found 1841 census Adam Houghton 15 think this should be 25 Elizabeth Houghton 20 Peter Houghton 4 Ellen Houghton 1 (I think she must have died) 1851 Census John Swift Elizabeth Swift Peter Houghton 14 stepson Margaret Houghton 9 stepdaughter William Swift 1 son.......this is who I am interested in 1871 William Swift is still with his parents the year he gets married.Marriage certificate says William Houghton A Roberts Naylor is a witness on the certificate..he is a neighbour of the swift’s in the 1871 census I now need to work out how to order and how many birth certificates to order to see if William was a Swift or Houghton . Please help...this is driving me nuts!, In 1881 census William calls himself Swift After that he calls himself Houghton Any advise would be very much appreciated Elizabeth
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	17 Jan 2018 19:56
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	I suppose finding out when if Adam died and when Elizabeth married John would be a start!
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:23
	Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%) Houghton Elizabeth Prescot 20 761 Swift John Prescot 20 761
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:24
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Is this him? Baptism: 30 Nov 1849 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England William Houghton - [Child] of Elizabeth Houghton Abode: Whiston Baptised by: H. Walker Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1851, Page 244, Entry 1946 Source: LDS Film 1657584 Possible for Peter. Baptism: 10 Mar 1837 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Peter Houghton - Son of William Houghton & Elizabeth Abode: Whiston Occupation: Collier Baptised by: C. G. T. Driffield Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 81, Entry 644 Source: LDS Film 1657583
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:26
	Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1849 Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference HOUGHTON William H Prescot Prescot PRE/10/78
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:28
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Margaret? Baptism: 27 Mar 1842 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Margaret Houghton - [Child] of Adam Houghton & Elizabeth Abode: Whiston Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: G. T. Driffield Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 276, Entry 2203 Source: LDS Film 1657583
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:31
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Death of Adam? Burial: 22 Dec 1843 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Ad. Houghton - Age: 20 Abode: Whiston Register: Burials 1836 - 1846, Page 203, Entry 1620 Source: LDS Film 1657597
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:35
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	??? Marriage: 25 Apr 1836 St Mary (now St Helen), St Helens, Lancashire, England William Houghton - (X), Whiston Parish of Prescot Elizabeth Forshaw - (X), Whiston Parish of Prescot Witness: James Leyland, (X); Thomas Morton Married by Banns by: Walter Bawdwen Curate Register: Marriages 1813 - 1837 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Entry 423 Source: LDS Film 1469036 and possible burial for William. Burial: 15 Oct 1839 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England William Houghton - Age: 33 Abode: Whiston Buried by: Wm. Coombs Register: Burials 1836 - 1846, Page 78, Entry 617 Source: LDS Film 1657597 These are all from http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:43
	Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1851 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference SWIFT * John FORSHAW Elizabeth St Ann Rainhill St Helens C23/1/122 SWIFT * John HOUGHTON Elizabeth St Ann Rainhill St Helens C23/1/122
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:48
	Burial: 30 May 1847 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England William Houghton - Age: 30 yrs. Abode: Parr Buried by: T. M. Gosling Register: Burials 1846 - 1855, Page 25, Entry 198 Source: LDS Film 1657597
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:49
	If a woman is/was married any child born to her is deemed to be the child of her husband EVEN IF the husband is/was dead at the time of conception. I once found a child born 10 years after the husband's death, but that child was still deemed to be the husband's child. Therefore, it looks as if William Houghton was born to the widow Elizabeth Houghton before she married John Swift. It might be worth trying to get a look at the original Parish Record as some vicars would put the name of the putative father on the baptism of the child of a single woman or widow. The birth certificate probably will NOT tell you the true name of the father ......... The GRO Index shows this ........... HOUGHTON, WILLIAM FORSHAW GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 759 same as for Margaret ......... HOUGHTON, MARGARET FORSHAW GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 756 Marriage of Adam and Elizabeth?? Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%) FORSHAM Elizabeth Prescot 20 555 HOUGHTON Adam Prescot 20 555 In other words, she was being honest in saying her married name and her maiden name ..... but Adam had been dead for several years. It is possible that William considered himself a Swift as John would be the only father that he knew.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:50
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Thankyou Am getting more confused!! Is Peter definitely the son of William and Elizabeth and not Adam and Elizabeth?
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:58
	The problem with the 1841 is that it does NOT give the relationships between people in the same household I wonder if that 1841 is accurate in saying that Adam was between 15 and 21, and that he was NOT Elizabeth's husband but her brother-in-law??? ie were he and William brothers? NOTE:- ages of people over the age of 15 on the 1841 were rounded DOWN to the nearest 5, so Adam could have been as old as 19. There is this marriage on the FMP ....... England Marriages 1538-1973 First name(s) Adam Last name Houghton Name note - Marriage year 1841 Marriage date 05 Mar 1841 Marriage place Huyton by Roby Father's first name(s) Adam Father's last name Houghton Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Forshaw Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Forshaw County Lancashire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, United Kingdom just before or after the 1841 Census??
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	17 Jan 2018 20:58
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	If this is Peter's marriage he has his father as Adam. Adam in 1841 is described as an engineer. Marriage: 12 May 1844 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England Peter Houghton - (X), full age, Engineer, Bachelor, Whiston Elizabeth Baldwin - of full age, Spinster, Whiston Groom's Father: Adam Houghton, Labourer Bride's Father: Zachariah Baldwin, Office clerk Witness: Elizabeth Houghton, (X); Hugh Lucas Married by Banns by: JD Latiward, curate Register: Marriages 1837 - 1845, Page 210, Entry 419 Source: LDS Film 1655236 But Peter was born 1837ish and William died 1839 so possibly he felt he was closer to Adam? Margaret's marriage. Marriage: 3 Jan 1859 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England John Johnson - 21, Blacksmith, bachelor, Whiston Margaret Houghton - (X), 17, spinster, Whiston Groom's Father: Matthew Johnson, Labourer Bride's Father: Adam Houghton, Labourer Witness: Peter Topping, (X); Mary Forshaw, (X) Married by Banns by: Francis L Horsham Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 191, Entry 381 Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2 EDIT Please ignore both these marriages as they appear to be an earlier generation. Peter would not have marriad at 7 years old!!!
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	17 Jan 2018 21:03
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Thankyou all. Gosh this is all so confusing!! I think I am going with Adam as a brother Still doesn't help re William Houghton / Swift's father Suggestions re parish record looks the way I need to go
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	17 Jan 2018 21:05
	Lancs bmd show that Adam and Elizabeth married at St Michael, Huyton Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841 HOUGHTON Adam FORSHAW Elizabeth Huyton, St.Michael Prescot C2/1/86 The marriage certificate should show whether she was claiming to be a widow or spinster
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	17 Jan 2018 21:07
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Maybe a husband!!
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	17 Jan 2018 21:11
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Thankyou all so much for your help with this.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	17 Jan 2018 21:18
	Just an added note .................... did you notice that a Joseph Forshaw, age 20, was living in the same house as Adam and Elizabeth on the 1841??? Possibly Elizabeth's brother???? 1841 Census Name: Joseph Forshaw Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Prescot Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Prescot Piece: 517 Book: 7 Folio: 7 Page Number: 7 Joseph Forshaw 20 Coal Miner
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	17 Jan 2018 21:22
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Think this is the Elizabeth that married Adam. Baptism: 13 Jul 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Forshaw - Daughter of William Forshaw & Ellen Abode: Whiston Occupation: Collier Baptised by: John Bartlett - Curate Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1822, Page 140, Entry 1120 Source: LDS Film 1657583 Just be aware there is another one . Baptism: 8 Sep 1816 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Forshaw - Daughter of Joseph Forshaw & Mary Abode: Whiston Occupation: Collier Baptised by: CGT Driffield - Vicar Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1822, Page 111, Entry 884 Source: LDS Film 1657583

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