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Hi all

I have access to Liverpool parish records this weekend...

Can anyone give me an idea what I should be looking for re

William Houghton

I have found the parish baptism record that just mentions his mother

Help..so confused :-(

I have finally managed to sit down and have a look at this again.

Is there a way to see a baptism/ birth for

William and Adam to see if they were brothers..ie had the same parents?

Thank you

Sorry Alviegal..thankyou to you too

Ha ha thankyou Sylvia!!

This is all so confusing!!

It is William I wanted to sort..however the whole family seem confusing!!

I have a lovely photo of William..the 1850 one..with his wife.

Thankyou for your help.

OOPs Sylvia you are so right! I wonder if this Peter may be Adam's brother, both sons of Adam.

In any case, just ignore this Elizabeth as it is getting further away from your original question. I will edit my posting.

Thanks again Sylvia :-D

This is getting more confusing by the hour!!

Will have another look at it all later.

Thankyou to you all for your help.

If any body has any more ideas/help they will be very gratefully received.

Alviegal ..............

I've just spotted this, it CAN'T be right!

Posted 17 Jan 2018 20:58

f this is Peter's marriage he has his father as Adam. Adam in 1841 is described as an engineer.

Marriage: 12 May 1844 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
Peter Houghton - (X), full age, Engineer, Bachelor, Whiston
Elizabeth Baldwin - of full age, Spinster, Whiston
Groom's Father: Adam Houghton, Labourer
Bride's Father: Zachariah Baldwin, Office clerk
Witness: Elizabeth Houghton, (X); Hugh Lucas
Married by Banns by: JD Latiward, curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1845, Page 210, Entry 419
Source: LDS Film 1655236


But Peter was born 1837ish and William died 1839 so possibly he felt he was closer to Adam?

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Peter cannot marry in 1844 if he was born around 1837!

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from lancs opc

Baptism: 10 Mar 1837 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Peter Houghton - Son of William Houghton & Elizabeth
Abode: Whiston
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: C. G. T. Driffield
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 81, Entry 644
Source: LDS Film 1657583

You would have to buy Ellen's birth certificate to see who was named as father ......

Am now thinking

Elizabeth married William had Peter

Later married William's brother Adam and had Margaret

Is it possible to find out if William or Adam was Ellen's Dad

Do you think this is correct?

Oh thankyou re Ellen details

Thankyou again.
Yes I did notice about Joseph.

I would say the mother was probably Ellen.
Adam and Elizabeth had an Ellen who i think probably died as she didn't appear on the 1851 census.

Elizabeth then had an Ellen again when she was married to John Swift

Tying up loose ends .............

from the GRO Index .......

HOUGHTON, ELLEN mmn FORSHAW
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 717

death???

HOUGHTON, ELLEN 4
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 492


from lancs opc

Burial: 24 Mar 1844 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Ellen Houghton -
Age: 4
Abode: Whiston
Buried by: W. S. Vawdrey
Register: Burials 1836 - 1846, Page 213, Entry 1701
Source: LDS Film 1657597

Think this is the Elizabeth that married Adam.

Baptism: 13 Jul 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Forshaw - Daughter of William Forshaw & Ellen
Abode: Whiston
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: John Bartlett - Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1822, Page 140, Entry 1120
Source: LDS Film 1657583


Just be aware there is another one .

Baptism: 8 Sep 1816 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Forshaw - Daughter of Joseph Forshaw & Mary
Abode: Whiston
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: CGT Driffield - Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1822, Page 111, Entry 884
Source: LDS Film 1657583

Just an added note ....................


did you notice that a Joseph Forshaw, age 20, was living in the same house as Adam and Elizabeth on the 1841??? Possibly Elizabeth's brother????

1841 Census

Name: Joseph Forshaw
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Prescot
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Prescot

Piece: 517
Book: 7
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7

Joseph Forshaw 20 Coal Miner

Thankyou all so much for your help with this.

Maybe a husband!!

Lancs bmd show that Adam and Elizabeth married at St Michael, Huyton

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841

HOUGHTON Adam FORSHAW Elizabeth Huyton, St.Michael Prescot C2/1/86


The marriage certificate should show whether she was claiming to be a widow or spinster

Thankyou all.

Gosh this is all so confusing!!

I think I am going with Adam as a brother

Still doesn't help re William Houghton / Swift's father

Suggestions re parish record looks the way I need to go

If this is Peter's marriage he has his father as Adam. Adam in 1841 is described as an engineer.

Marriage: 12 May 1844 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
Peter Houghton - (X), full age, Engineer, Bachelor, Whiston
Elizabeth Baldwin - of full age, Spinster, Whiston
Groom's Father: Adam Houghton, Labourer
Bride's Father: Zachariah Baldwin, Office clerk
Witness: Elizabeth Houghton, (X); Hugh Lucas
Married by Banns by: JD Latiward, curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1845, Page 210, Entry 419
Source: LDS Film 1655236


But Peter was born 1837ish and William died 1839 so possibly he felt he was closer to Adam?



Margaret's marriage.


Marriage: 3 Jan 1859 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Johnson - 21, Blacksmith, bachelor, Whiston
Margaret Houghton - (X), 17, spinster, Whiston
Groom's Father: Matthew Johnson, Labourer
Bride's Father: Adam Houghton, Labourer
Witness: Peter Topping, (X); Mary Forshaw, (X)
Married by Banns by: Francis L Horsham
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 191, Entry 381
Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2


EDIT Please ignore both these marriages as they appear to be an earlier generation. Peter would not have marriad at 7 years old!!!

The problem with the 1841 is that it does NOT give the relationships between people in the same household

I wonder if that 1841 is accurate in saying that Adam was between 15 and 21, and that he was NOT Elizabeth's husband but her brother-in-law???

ie were he and William brothers?


NOTE:- ages of people over the age of 15 on the 1841 were rounded DOWN to the nearest 5, so Adam could have been as old as 19.


There is this marriage on the FMP .......


England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Adam
Last name Houghton
Name note -
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 05 Mar 1841
Marriage place Huyton by Roby
Father's first name(s) Adam
Father's last name Houghton
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Forshaw
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Forshaw
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, United Kingdom


just before or after the 1841 Census??