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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 1 Dec 2017 08:25

According to the Cemetery link I posted earlier, below was his first wife...

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
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GABRIEL Sophy 25 Woolwich 1d 600


Birth
GABRIEL, ABRAHAM (MORRIS)
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 989


Death
GABRIEL, ABRAHAM 0
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 603


(notes on GRO below also)

Birth
GABRIEL, MORRIS (MORRIS)
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1033

marjorie

marjorie Report 1 Dec 2017 19:27

Hi everyone isaac's first wife Sophia died 18th July 1875, perhaps during or after giving birth to twins Morris and Abraham,Morris lived to a right old age but Abraham died 1875 perhaps at birth. Julia must have appeared on the scene between 1875 and. 1877 when she gave birth to Ellis Berg Gabriel(Ellis Berg was run over and killed by a horse and cart 1878 age 3 years) she gave birth to 5

more Gabriel children. Does anyone think Sophia and Julia could be sisters if they were both called Morris. Sophia born 1850 Julia born 1857.
On Isaacs tombstone there were Cohen Hands could this mean his name was originally Cohen.

Regards Marjorie

Rambling

Rambling Report 1 Dec 2017 19:39

? if sisters? though the birth years are a bit out, but not that far

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cannon Street Road, St George, East, St George in the East, London & Middlesex, England

Elizabeth Morris Wife - Female 46 1825 - Middlesex, England
Sophia Morris Daughter - Female 22 1849 - Middlesex, England <<<<<
Annie Morris Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Middlesex, England
Caroline Morris Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Middlesex, England
Julia Morris Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Middlesex, England <<<<<<
Clara Morris Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Middlesex, England
Alice Morris Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
Joseph Morris Son - Male 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
Esther Morris Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Middlesex, England
Sarah Morris Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Middlesex, England
Kate Morris Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Middlesex, England

same family 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Carter Street, St Botolph Without Aldgate, East London (City of London), London & Middlesex, England

Morris Morris Head Married Male 40 1821 - Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Morris Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Sophia Morris Daughter - Female 13 1848 Cloth Cap Maker London, England
Anna Morris Daughter - Female 12 1849 Cloth Cap Maker London, England
Caroline Morris Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar London, England
Julia Morris Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar London, England
Clara Morris Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar London, England
Harriet Morris Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar London, England
Joseph Morris Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar London, England
Abraham Morris Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar London, England
Mary Bryan Servant Unmarried Female 24 1837 House Servant Ireland

Rambling

Rambling Report 1 Dec 2017 19:56

Just reading the newspaper report of Ellis's death, poor little boy.

marjorie

marjorie Report 1 Dec 2017 21:49

Perhaps Abraham and Morris were not twins as Abraham was born and died S quarter and Morris was born M quarter. I am not familiar with these quarters, how do they run?

Regards Marjorie

Rambling

Rambling Report 1 Dec 2017 22:04

quarters are

Jan, Feb, March
April, May, June
July, Aug, Sep
Oct, Nov, Dec.

But as parents have 6 weeks to register it can often be that the birth is registered in the following qtr, or even the next year as mine, born Dec one year registered in Jan of the next.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Dec 2017 22:31

Re "Cohen hands" - it doesn't seem to mean that anyone buried there is or was necessarily a Cohen:


http://cemeteryscribes.com/blog/tombstone-symbols-cohen-hands/

Apparently, it means he was a descendant of Aaron, brother of Moses.

marjorie

marjorie Report 3 Dec 2017 16:06

Now I have had time to get all this info digested I think l understand it. I had Sophia's death as 18th July 1875 from two different sources so was puzzled about a birth after her death. Through Chris Ho I now find she died in September 1875.
Correct me please if I am wrong. Morris was born sometime in March 1875 soon after which Sophia must have become pregnant with Abraham. As Sophia and Abraham both died in the September of 1875 I am assuming perhaps Abraham was still born and mother and son died at the same time.

Marjorie.

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 16:25

Morris was reg first qtr 1875 so could be Jan' Feb or March birth
Abraham Sept qtr. so birth and death July Aug or Sept'.

You would need birth certs to be sure of exact dates,

From Chris's link "West Ham Jewish Cemetery (Buckingham Rd) Find all individuals with events at this location
Inscription: Sophia beloved wife of Isaac GABRIEL of Woolwich who departed this life to the deep grief of her sorrowing husband family and friends July 18th 1875 5635 aged 25. Also her infant son aged 3 weeks. "

marjorie

marjorie Report 3 Dec 2017 16:45

Perhaps Abraham was not stillborn as I have just noticed his birth probably was not registered at the same time as his mothers death as Sophie's death was on page 600 and Abrahams was on page 603. ???

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 16:53

Marjorie he was 3 weeks old according to the inscription.

marjorie

marjorie Report 4 Dec 2017 18:58

A big thank you to everyone who sent me lots of information on Isaac Gabriel and his family, I now have something concrete to build on. So kind of these people to spend their time helping novices like me.

Kind Regards

Marjorie :-)

marjorie

marjorie Report 13 Dec 2017 20:08

Another Gabriel. Evalyn born 1919 Bethnalgreen London, fathers name Morris Gabriel mothers name Ms Inselberg, how can I find mothers first name please.

Thanks Marjorie.

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Dec 2017 20:13

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Gavriel Morris Mile End 1c 882
Gav_iel_ Morris Mile End 1c 882
Inselberg Fanny Mile End 1c 882

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Gabriel Evelyn Inselberg Bethnal G. 1c 144

marjorie

marjorie Report 13 Dec 2017 20:27

Hi Nyx I don't think there was a marriage as Morris was married to Evalyne Kahane.The name is a coincidence. Evelyn's mother was the daughter of Julius and Esther Insleberg who according to Ancestry had Four daughters and three sons but I can only find three daughters. The parents and the six children I can find were all born in Bucharest. The parents married in 1900 but Julius had a so born 1998 perhaps Ester was the mother and he was born before the marriage. I think Evelyn's mother must have been very young.

Thanks Marjorie.

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Dec 2017 20:33

Ah right

well this is the 1911 for that couple

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45 Foulden Road Hackney, St John At Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Morris Gabriel Head Married Male Furrier Cutter 31 1880 Romania Resident
Fani Gabriel Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Romania Resident
Mena Gabriel Daughter - Female - 7 1904 London Bethnel Green
Sydney Gabriel Son - Male - 4 1907 London Apitalfields
Harman Gabriel Son - Male - 0 1911 London Stoke Newington
Nehe Tuselberg Boarder Widow Female Private Means 59 1852 Romania Resident

marjorie

marjorie Report 13 Dec 2017 20:41

Morris was a Tailor Outfitter he had a shop on the Strand and perhaps Woolwich High Street at some time. He was born1875 to Isaac and Sophia Gabriel. Isacc was a Russian/polish immigrant who became a naturalised British Citizen in 1882.

Marjorie.

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Dec 2017 20:42

EDITED

from FMP the 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20 Eckersley St Bethnal Green E, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England


Julius Inselberg Head Married Male Job Traveller 34 1877 Roumaion Dukerest Resident Esther Inselberg Wife Married Female Underclothing 32 1879 Roumaion Dukerest Resident
Hymy Inselberg Son Married Male - 10 1901 Roumaion Bukerest Resident
Wolfe Inselberg Son - Male - 8 1903 Roumaion Bukerest Resident
Annie Inselberg Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Roumaion Bukerest Resident
Milly Inselberg Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Roumaion Bukerest Resident

4 children born alive, 4 living.

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Dec 2017 20:50

The Morris who married Evalyne

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Langrick Lower Park Road Belvedere, Erith, Kent, England

Morris Gabriel Head - Male Merchant Tailor 36 1875 Woolwich Kent
Evalyne Gabriel Wife Married Female - 31 1880 Manchester Lancashire
Vera Sophia Gabriel Daughter - Female School 11 1900 London Middlesex
Joe Gloria Gabriel Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London Middlesex
Cyril Gabriel Son - Male - 7 1904 London Middlesex
Wilfrid Isaac Gabriel Son - Male - 4 1907 London Middlesex
Iris Gabriel Daughter - Female - 2 1909 London Middlesex
Ida Gear Servant Single Female Domestic Nurse 25 1886 Tregavara Cornwall

5 children born , 5 living

marjorie

marjorie Report 13 Dec 2017 21:14

That's the right Morris.

The son the Inselbergs had in 1998 was called Oser , so he wasn't with them at the time of 1911 census . The third daughter Adeline was born in 1913.

Re the Mc Kendrick family tree on Ancestry : The Inselbergs had 7 children in 15 years 3boys and four girls. One of the three daughters we know of married a Mc Kendrick so I am assuming they have the count right. I wonder if she became an outcast from the family for becoming pregnant by a much older married man.

Marjorie