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Hi Nyx, still seeking Isaac, I have found his nationalisation record but still no immigration papers I have been told he may have changed his name on arrival in UK to something less obviously foreign, have you any idea what to do next.
Marj

Hi Nyx I realise a lot of researchers get things wrong, on one tree an ancestor of mine is credited with14 children who actually belong to someone else.

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Now I have slept on it I am wondering if the fourth daughter was actually Evelyn and perhaps Esther was the mother. Just a thought.

Thanks for your help Nyx.

Marjorie.

But there is this one also known as Etel

Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%)
Inselberg Adeline Levisohn Stepney 1c 429
Inselberg Etel Levisohn Stepney 1c 429 S
Levisohn Nathan Inselberg Stepney 1c 429
Levison Nathan Inselberg Stepney 1c 429

That is this birth

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Inselberg Etel Lisengar St.Geo.East 1c 530

1939

Levison Household (2 People)
20 Lockmead Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England

Nathan Levison 11 Aug 1910 Male Uniform Cap Passer Married 122 1
Adeline Levison 10 Jun 1914 Female Secretary Shorthand Typist Married 122 2

This is the harry Glazer that married an Adeline

Glazer Household (5 People)
30 Stoke Newington Road , Hackney, London, England

Harry Glazer 09 Feb 1901 Male Taxi Driver Married 73 1
Adilina Glazer 16 Jul 1904 Female Housewife Married 73 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Jean Levy (Rosenthal) 27 Nov 1910 Female Fur Machinist Single 73 4
Francis Rosenthal 15 Mar 1882 Male Tailors Presser Married 73 5

Marjorie never assume that any tree on Ancestry is correct unless it has the sources, many are so far out as to be a nonsense, according to most my father did not exist so neither do I lol.

Where was Adeline born? I can see a marriage but not a birth for her?

That's the right Morris.

The son the Inselbergs had in 1998 was called Oser , so he wasn't with them at the time of 1911 census . The third daughter Adeline was born in 1913.

Re the Mc Kendrick family tree on Ancestry : The Inselbergs had 7 children in 15 years 3boys and four girls. One of the three daughters we know of married a Mc Kendrick so I am assuming they have the count right. I wonder if she became an outcast from the family for becoming pregnant by a much older married man.

Marjorie

The Morris who married Evalyne

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Langrick Lower Park Road Belvedere, Erith, Kent, England

Morris Gabriel Head - Male Merchant Tailor 36 1875 Woolwich Kent
Evalyne Gabriel Wife Married Female - 31 1880 Manchester Lancashire
Vera Sophia Gabriel Daughter - Female School 11 1900 London Middlesex
Joe Gloria Gabriel Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London Middlesex
Cyril Gabriel Son - Male - 7 1904 London Middlesex
Wilfrid Isaac Gabriel Son - Male - 4 1907 London Middlesex
Iris Gabriel Daughter - Female - 2 1909 London Middlesex
Ida Gear Servant Single Female Domestic Nurse 25 1886 Tregavara Cornwall

5 children born , 5 living

EDITED

from FMP the 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20 Eckersley St Bethnal Green E, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England


Julius Inselberg Head Married Male Job Traveller 34 1877 Roumaion Dukerest Resident Esther Inselberg Wife Married Female Underclothing 32 1879 Roumaion Dukerest Resident
Hymy Inselberg Son Married Male - 10 1901 Roumaion Bukerest Resident
Wolfe Inselberg Son - Male - 8 1903 Roumaion Bukerest Resident
Annie Inselberg Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Roumaion Bukerest Resident
Milly Inselberg Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Roumaion Bukerest Resident

4 children born alive, 4 living.

Morris was a Tailor Outfitter he had a shop on the Strand and perhaps Woolwich High Street at some time. He was born1875 to Isaac and Sophia Gabriel. Isacc was a Russian/polish immigrant who became a naturalised British Citizen in 1882.

Marjorie.

Ah right

well this is the 1911 for that couple

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45 Foulden Road Hackney, St John At Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Morris Gabriel Head Married Male Furrier Cutter 31 1880 Romania Resident
Fani Gabriel Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Romania Resident
Mena Gabriel Daughter - Female - 7 1904 London Bethnel Green
Sydney Gabriel Son - Male - 4 1907 London Apitalfields
Harman Gabriel Son - Male - 0 1911 London Stoke Newington
Nehe Tuselberg Boarder Widow Female Private Means 59 1852 Romania Resident

Hi Nyx I don't think there was a marriage as Morris was married to Evalyne Kahane.The name is a coincidence. Evelyn's mother was the daughter of Julius and Esther Insleberg who according to Ancestry had Four daughters and three sons but I can only find three daughters. The parents and the six children I can find were all born in Bucharest. The parents married in 1900 but Julius had a so born 1998 perhaps Ester was the mother and he was born before the marriage. I think Evelyn's mother must have been very young.

Thanks Marjorie.

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Gavriel Morris Mile End 1c 882
Gav_iel_ Morris Mile End 1c 882
Inselberg Fanny Mile End 1c 882

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Gabriel Evelyn Inselberg Bethnal G. 1c 144

Another Gabriel. Evalyn born 1919 Bethnalgreen London, fathers name Morris Gabriel mothers name Ms Inselberg, how can I find mothers first name please.

Thanks Marjorie.

A big thank you to everyone who sent me lots of information on Isaac Gabriel and his family, I now have something concrete to build on. So kind of these people to spend their time helping novices like me.

Kind Regards

Marjorie :-)

Marjorie he was 3 weeks old according to the inscription.

Perhaps Abraham was not stillborn as I have just noticed his birth probably was not registered at the same time as his mothers death as Sophie's death was on page 600 and Abrahams was on page 603. ???

Morris was reg first qtr 1875 so could be Jan' Feb or March birth
Abraham Sept qtr. so birth and death July Aug or Sept'.

You would need birth certs to be sure of exact dates,

From Chris's link "West Ham Jewish Cemetery (Buckingham Rd) Find all individuals with events at this location
Inscription: Sophia beloved wife of Isaac GABRIEL of Woolwich who departed this life to the deep grief of her sorrowing husband family and friends July 18th 1875 5635 aged 25. Also her infant son aged 3 weeks. "

Now I have had time to get all this info digested I think l understand it. I had Sophia's death as 18th July 1875 from two different sources so was puzzled about a birth after her death. Through Chris Ho I now find she died in September 1875.
Correct me please if I am wrong. Morris was born sometime in March 1875 soon after which Sophia must have become pregnant with Abraham. As Sophia and Abraham both died in the September of 1875 I am assuming perhaps Abraham was still born and mother and son died at the same time.

Marjorie.

Re "Cohen hands" - it doesn't seem to mean that anyone buried there is or was necessarily a Cohen:


http://cemeteryscribes.com/blog/tombstone-symbols-cohen-hands/

Apparently, it means he was a descendant of Aaron, brother of Moses.

quarters are

Jan, Feb, March
April, May, June
July, Aug, Sep
Oct, Nov, Dec.

But as parents have 6 weeks to register it can often be that the birth is registered in the following qtr, or even the next year as mine, born Dec one year registered in Jan of the next.