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29 Oct 2017 11:09 |
I am trying to find information on Ben or Benjamin Cooper b1897 Buckingham but was bought up by his Grandparent in Gamlingay Cambridgeshire
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2017 11:22 |
Hi Eric
Was he actually born in Brackley, Northamptonshire??
Is this him in 1911??
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Cinques Gamlingay Camb's, Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England
Ann Cooper Head Married Female - 63 1848 Cambs Gamlingay Benjamin Cooper Grandson - Male Farm Labourer 14 1897 Northamptonshire Brackley
Have you found him on the 1901 census?
What further information do you know about him?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Oct 2017 11:37 |
Is this him
Births Mar 1897 Cooper George Benjamin Brackley 3b 6
COOPER, GEORGE BENJAMIN BENCH GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in BRACKLEY Volume 03B Page 6
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malyon
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29 Oct 2017 12:36 |
this ben born in Buckinghamshire father born Gamlingay Cambridgeshire
Ben Cooper England and Wales Census, 1901 Name Ben Cooper Event TypeM 13 Norwich Napton Ben Cooper Son M 4 Buckingham xxxxxx Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Coldhesledon, Durham, England County Durham Civil Parish Coldhesledon Ecclesiastical Parish Dalton Le Dale Holy Trinity Sub-District Dawdon Registration District Easington Residence Note Railway Huts Kinby Hill Gender Male Age 4 Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1897 Birthplace Buckingham Schedule Type 189 Page Number 40 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace George B Cooper Head M 36 Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire Nora Cooper Wife F 42 Norwich Napton, Norfolk William Cooper Son M 20 Norwich Napton Emily Cooper Daughter F 18 Norwich Napton Daisy Cooper Daughter F 15 Norwich Napton Arthur Cooper Son
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2017 13:07 |
Ah, i think i get it now.
Here is the Grandmother Ann on the 1891 census......
(Note that son George is a widower)
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dillwyn Road, Lewisham, London & Kent, England
Ben Cooper Head Married Male 46 1845 General Labourer Cambridgeshire, England Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Cambridgeshire, England George Cooper Son Widower Male 24 1867 General Labourer Cambridgeshire, England Minnie Cooper Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Essex, England Arthur Cooper Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Norfolk, England Herbert Cooper Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar Essex, England Annie Cooper Granddaughter - Female 2 1889 - Essex, England
Son George is now with a Nora in 1901....(And brother Arthur)
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Railway Huts Kinby Hill, Coldhesledon, Easington, Durham, England
George B Cooper Head Married Male 36 1865 Foreman Labourer New Railway Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England Nora Cooper Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Norfolk, England William Cooper Son Single Male 20 1881 Railway Engine Driver - Emily Cooper Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - - Daisy Cooper Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - - Arthur Cooper Son - Male 13 1888 - - Ben Cooper Son - Male 4 1897 - Buckinghamshire, England Arthur Cooper Brother Single Male 18 1883 Railway Labourer Hunworth, Norfolk, England
Lavia Wilson Servant Married Female 56 1845 - Nottinghamshire, England James Lincoln Boarder Single Male 63 1838 Railway Labourer Hertfordshire, England Charles Cailton Boarder Single Male 65 1836 Railway Labourer Cambridgeshire, England Thomas Cubbon Boarder Single Male 43 1858 Railway Labourer Isle of Man, Isle of Man John Richonson Boarder Married Male 45 1856 Railway Labourer Wales Mick Toal Boarder Single Male 30 1871 Railway Labourer Dublin, Dublin, Ireland William Broughton Boarder Married Male 65 1836 Railway Labourer Dublin, Dublin, Ireland John Perril Boarder Single Male 30 1871 Railway Labourer Yorkshire, England William Mitchell Boarder Single Male 50 1851 Railway Labourer Yorkshire, England John Chadgick Boarder Single Male 57 1844 Railway Labourer Yorkshire, England
Note the age gap between Ben and the older child Arthur!
Now to figure out if George actually married Nora.
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2017 13:46 |
I have been trying to find a Nora/Norah ??? on the 1891 census.......with or without the older children named on the 1901 census.
But it's not happening! :-(
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greyghost
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29 Oct 2017 14:21 |
If I repeat the 1901 posted by PH, but include places of birth from original, might help to find births with a relevant mmn to help identify Nora? Are William, Emily, Daisy and Arthur (1888) hers?
Napton could be Knapton - 9 miles SE of Cromer, 19.5 miles NE of Norwich
George B Cooper Head Married Male 36 1865 Foreman Labourer New Railway Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England Nora Cooper Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Napton, Norfolk, England William Cooper Son Single Male 20 1881 Railway Engine Driver - Napton, Norwich Emily Cooper Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - - Napton, Norwich Daisy Cooper Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - - Napton, Norwich Arthur Cooper Son - Male 13 1888 - - Napton, Norwich Ben Cooper Son - Male 4 1897 - Buckingham, England Arthur Cooper Brother Single Male 18 1883 Railway Labourer Hunworth, Norfolk, England
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malyon
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29 Oct 2017 15:37 |
Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: COOPER, ARTHUR ALFRED BARKER GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK Volume 04B Page 31
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malyon
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29 Oct 2017 15:39 |
COOPER, ARTHUR HENRY TILLETT GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 119 COOPER, ARTHUR VICTOR WARNES GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 136 COOPER, ARTHUR WILLIAM BECKETT GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 163
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29 Oct 2017 15:41 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Rosemary RD, 7, Martello Terrace, Great Clacton, Tendring, Essex, England
Benjamin Cooper Head Married Male 37 1844 Railway Labourer Potton, Bedfordshire, England Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England George Cooper Son Single Male 16 1865 Scholar Potton, Bedfordshire, England Annie Cooper Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Potton, Bedfordshire, England Jane Cooper Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Potton, Bedfordshire, England Minnie Cooper Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Harwich, Essex, England George Banks Lodger Single Male 23 1858 General Laborer Suffolk, England Henry Howard Lodger Single Male 30 1851 General Laborer Essex, England William Sutherwood Lodger Single Male 20 1861 General Laborer Wormingford, Essex, England Henry Popperwell Lodger Single Male 19 1862 Ag Lab Essex, England Joseph Partridge Lodger Single Male 39 1842 Ag Lab Essex, England
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Chris Ho :)
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29 Oct 2017 16:41 |
Below from google search...
http://www.gamlingayhistory.co.uk/find-a-grave/
(Cooper Ann, Cinques, Gamlingay, Widow of Benjamin, 80, 23/09/1927 Grave E21)
Chris :)
Birth COOPER, GEORGE BENJAMIN (HUGHES) GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in CAXTON Volume 03B Page 432
Place Gamlingay Church name St Mary the Virgin Register type Parish Register Register entry number 327 Marriage date 07 Oct 1866 Groom forename George Groom surname COOPER Groom age 21 Groom condition bachelor Groom abode Potton, BDF Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Ann Bride surname HUGHES Bride age 19 Bride condition spinster Groom father forename William Groom father surname COOPER Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename Philip Bride father surname HUGHES Bride father occupation Labourer Witness John HUGHES Witness Frederick LOWINGS Register note Bride and groom signed with a mark
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
1871 (Find My Past) Ann Cooper Head (Mar) Female 25 1846 - Cambridgeshire (Gamlingay) England George Cooper Son - Male 4 1867 - Cambridgeshire, England Annie R Cooper Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Bedfordshire, England Street Biggleswade Street Parish Potton County Bedfordshire Registration district Biggleswade Archive reference RG10 Piece number 1548 Folio 22 Page 35
Birth COOPER, ANNE REBECCA (HUGHES) GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in BIGGLESWADE Volume 03B Page 334
Baptism County Cambridgeshire Place Gamlingay Church name St Mary the Virgin Register type Parish Register Register entry number 670 Baptism date 14 Nov 1852 Person forename Ann Person sex F Person abode Gamlingay Father forename Philip Father surname HUGHES Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Ann Register note 5 Years old
County Cambridgeshire Place Gamlingay Church name St Mary the Virgin Register type Parish Register Register entry number 2 Marriage date 20 Oct 1837 Groom forename Philip Groom surname HUGHES Groom age full age Groom condition bachelor Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Ann Bride surname JILYONS Bride age minor Bride condition spinster Groom father forename John Groom father surname HUGHES Groom father occupation Shoemaker Bride father forename Simeon Bride father surname JILYONS Bride father occupation Labourer Witness William NORMAN Witness Margaret SNELL Register note Bride and groom signed with a mark
Birth HUGHES, ANN (JILYANS) GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in CAXTON AND ARRINGTON UNION Volume 14 Page 29
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greyghost
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29 Oct 2017 17:37 |
I may have lost the plot here - will remove if so !!
?????? George Benjamin (c 1867) Cooper first wife ?? Did he alter his age a little as she was older?
VIEW London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: George Benjamin Cooper 6 years in it rather than 11 Gender: Male Marriage Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1862 Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1887 Marriage Place: St John, Walham Green, Hammersmith and Fulham, England Father: George Benjamin Cooper Spouse: Jane Holden
George - 25. Bachelor. Labourer. Father - George Benjamin Cooper, Gnl Labourer Jane - 31. Widow. Father - James Manchester. Bookmaker Both resident at time of marriage at 33 Mulgrave Road. Both signed. Witnesses - John and Eliza Manchester
-------------------------------- Which gives Annie the Grand daughter on 1891 census b Essex 1889
COOPER, ANNIE MATILDA MANCHESTER Order GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 155 -------------------------- Name Age at death (in years) COOPER, JANE 32 Order GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 371
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greyghost
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29 Oct 2017 17:58 |
???? Jane's first marriage
Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%) DAVIES William Henry Kensington 1a 201 Holden William Kensington 1a 201 LING Ellen Kensington 1a 201 Manchester Jane Kensington 1a 201
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So another little white lie here - this time Jane's age as born late 1856/early 1857
VIEW London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: Jane Manchester Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1874 Marriage Place: St Mark, Notting Hill, Kensington and Chelsea, England Father: James Manchester Spouse: William Hobden (signature looks like HoLden) William - Full age. Bachelor. shoemaker. Father George Holden Shoemaker Of 7 Lockton Street Jane - Full age. Spinster. 7 Talbot road. Father James Manchester a Shoemaker
--------------------------------- Births Mar 1857 (>99%) Manchester Jane Brighton 2b 181
------------------------- 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 35, Prince Regent Street, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Manchester Head Married Male 44 1817 Shoe Maker Portsea, Hampshire, England Matilda Manchester Wife Married Female 39 1822 Shoe Makers Wife Brighton, Sussex, England Mary Ann Manchester Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 - Brighton, Sussex, England James Manchester Son Unmarried Male 6 1855 - Brighton, Sussex, England Jane Manchester Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Brighton, Sussex, England
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2017 19:02 |
It would be good to hear back from Eric.
:-)
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Chris Ho :)
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29 Oct 2017 20:58 |
(not seeing a lot for below Knapton, shame it stops at 1880!)
Chris :)
(did notice a Norrina, as below)
http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/knapton.htm
(Baptisms 1813 to 1880)
463 09/05/1864 Norrina STEWART William STEWART Bricklayer Mary
Birth STEWART, LODRINS (HANNANT) GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ERPINGHAM Volume 04B Page 53
Births Jun 1864 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ STEWARD Loarino Erpingham 4b 53
Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Hannant Mary Erpingham 4b 147 Steward William Erpingham 4b 147
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2017 21:57 |
George does seem to have got around.
With Ann first, then a widower in 1891, with Nora in 1901, with a new wife Madeline (and another lot of children) in 1911:
George Cooper in the 1911 England Census Name: George Cooper Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Watford County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address: 28 Cannon Rd, Watford Marital Status: Married Occupation: Plate Layer Railway Registration district: Watford Registration District Number: 140 Sub-registration district: Watford ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 26 Piece: 7710 Household Members: Name Age George Cooper 43 Madeline Cooper 34 Ivy Cooper 4 George Cooper 3 Gladys Cooper 0
George Benjamin Cooper in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938 Name: George Benjamin Cooper Gender: Male Marriage Age: 40 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1867 Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1907 Marriage Place: Cheltenham, All Saints, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Cheltenham, All Saints Father: George Benjamin Cooper Spouse: Madeline Constance Sharpe
He's a widower at marriage.
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greyghost
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29 Oct 2017 23:01 |
Possibly Nora's death, looking at the marriage of George in 1907 in Cheltenham. Winchcomb is less than 10 miles from Cheltenham, probably next door RD's
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%) COOPER Nora 49 Winchcomb 6a 280
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30 Oct 2017 08:05 |
Hi Eric
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ArgyllGran
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30 Oct 2017 09:20 |
I've looked at all the Nora(h)'s born in Norfolk 1856-60, but all are accounted for in later records.
So either her POB wasn't Norfolk, or her DOB at 1901 and death is way out. Or her name wasn't really Nora - maybe that's just what she was known as.
This is the only marriage of a George Cooper to a Nora that I can find, 1891-1901.
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%) Blundell Norah Barrow F. 8e 1455 COOPER George Barrow F. 8e 1455
BUT that Norah is on the 1891 census at home with her parents, and born 1872 in Lancashire. And with her husband George in 1901, living in Barrow.
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Chris Ho :)
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30 Oct 2017 11:14 |
(could only see below (posted earlier) nearest for Knapton, but probably not!)
http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/knapton.htm
(Baptisms 1813 to 1880)
463 09/05/1864 Norrina STEWART William STEWART Bricklayer Mary
Birth STEWART, LODRINS (HANNANT) GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ERPINGHAM Volume 04B Page 53
Births Jun 1864 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ STEWARD Loarino Erpingham 4b 53
Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Hannant Mary Erpingham 4b 147 Steward William Erpingham 4b 147
All a mystery!...
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