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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Oct 2017 16:43

Thankyou for that AG, was trying to rule her out, only 'Nora' Knapton/Norfolk I could see, lol.

Chris :)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2017 12:41

Looks like that child died aged 6 months:

STEWARD, LEORING 6
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in ERPINGHAM Volume 04B Page 43


Deaths Dec 1864 (>99%)
Steward Levrin_ Erpingham 4b 43
Steward Levrins Erpingham 4b 43

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Oct 2017 11:14

(could only see below (posted earlier) nearest for Knapton, but probably not!)

http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/knapton.htm

(Baptisms 1813 to 1880)

463 09/05/1864 Norrina STEWART William STEWART Bricklayer Mary


Birth
STEWART, LODRINS (HANNANT)
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ERPINGHAM Volume 04B Page 53


Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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STEWARD Loarino Erpingham 4b 53


Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Hannant Mary Erpingham 4b 147
Steward William Erpingham 4b 147


All a mystery!...

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2017 09:20

I've looked at all the Nora(h)'s born in Norfolk 1856-60, but all are accounted for in later records.

So either her POB wasn't Norfolk, or her DOB at 1901 and death is way out.
Or her name wasn't really Nora - maybe that's just what she was known as.


This is the only marriage of a George Cooper to a Nora that I can find, 1891-1901.

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Blundell Norah Barrow F. 8e 1455
COOPER George Barrow F. 8e 1455

BUT that Norah is on the 1891 census at home with her parents, and born 1872 in Lancashire.
And with her husband George in 1901, living in Barrow.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Oct 2017 08:05

Hi Eric

Thank you for your message.

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Prickles. :-)

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Oct 2017 23:01

Possibly Nora's death, looking at the marriage of George in 1907 in Cheltenham. Winchcomb is less than 10 miles from Cheltenham, probably next door RD's


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
COOPER Nora 49 Winchcomb 6a 280

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2017 21:57

George does seem to have got around.

With Ann first, then a widower in 1891, with Nora in 1901, with a new wife Madeline (and another lot of children) in 1911:

George Cooper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George Cooper
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address: 28 Cannon Rd, Watford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Plate Layer Railway
Registration district: Watford
Registration District Number: 140
Sub-registration district: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 7710
Household Members:
Name Age
George Cooper 43
Madeline Cooper 34
Ivy Cooper 4
George Cooper 3
Gladys Cooper 0


George Benjamin Cooper
in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: George Benjamin Cooper
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 40
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1907
Marriage Place: Cheltenham, All Saints, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cheltenham, All Saints
Father: George Benjamin Cooper
Spouse: Madeline Constance Sharpe

He's a widower at marriage.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Oct 2017 20:58

(not seeing a lot for below Knapton, shame it stops at 1880!)

Chris :)

(did notice a Norrina, as below)

http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/knapton.htm


(Baptisms 1813 to 1880)

463 09/05/1864 Norrina STEWART William STEWART Bricklayer Mary


Birth
STEWART, LODRINS (HANNANT)
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ERPINGHAM Volume 04B Page 53


Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
STEWARD Loarino Erpingham 4b 53


Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Hannant Mary Erpingham 4b 147
Steward William Erpingham 4b 147

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Oct 2017 19:02

It would be good to hear back from Eric.

:-)

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Oct 2017 17:58

????
Jane's first marriage

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
DAVIES William Henry Kensington 1a 201
Holden William Kensington 1a 201
LING Ellen Kensington 1a 201
Manchester Jane Kensington 1a 201

------------------------------

So another little white lie here - this time Jane's age as born late 1856/early 1857

VIEW London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: Jane Manchester
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1874
Marriage Place: St Mark, Notting Hill, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: James Manchester
Spouse: William Hobden (signature looks like HoLden)

William - Full age. Bachelor. shoemaker. Father George Holden Shoemaker
Of 7 Lockton Street
Jane - Full age. Spinster. 7 Talbot road. Father James Manchester a Shoemaker

---------------------------------
Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
Manchester Jane Brighton 2b 181

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35, Prince Regent Street, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Manchester Head Married Male 44 1817 Shoe Maker Portsea, Hampshire, England
Matilda Manchester Wife Married Female 39 1822 Shoe Makers Wife Brighton, Sussex, England
Mary Ann Manchester Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 - Brighton, Sussex, England
James Manchester Son Unmarried Male 6 1855 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Jane Manchester Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Brighton, Sussex, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Oct 2017 17:37

I may have lost the plot here - will remove if so !!

??????
George Benjamin (c 1867) Cooper first wife ??
Did he alter his age a little as she was older?

VIEW London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: George Benjamin Cooper 6 years in it rather than 11
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1862
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1887
Marriage Place: St John, Walham Green, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: George Benjamin Cooper
Spouse: Jane Holden


George - 25. Bachelor. Labourer. Father - George Benjamin Cooper, Gnl Labourer
Jane - 31. Widow. Father - James Manchester. Bookmaker
Both resident at time of marriage at 33 Mulgrave Road.
Both signed.
Witnesses - John and Eliza Manchester

--------------------------------
Which gives Annie the Grand daughter on 1891 census b Essex 1889

COOPER, ANNIE MATILDA MANCHESTER Order
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 155
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Name Age at death (in years)
COOPER, JANE 32 Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 371

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Oct 2017 16:41

Below from google search...

http://www.gamlingayhistory.co.uk/find-a-grave/

(Cooper Ann, Cinques, Gamlingay, Widow of Benjamin, 80, 23/09/1927 Grave E21)

Chris :)

Birth
COOPER, GEORGE BENJAMIN (HUGHES)
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in CAXTON Volume 03B Page 432


Place Gamlingay
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 327
Marriage date 07 Oct 1866
Groom forename George
Groom surname COOPER
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Potton, BDF
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname HUGHES
Bride age 19
Bride condition spinster
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname COOPER
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Philip
Bride father surname HUGHES
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness John HUGHES
Witness Frederick LOWINGS
Register note Bride and groom signed with a mark

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


1871 (Find My Past)
Ann Cooper Head (Mar) Female 25 1846 - Cambridgeshire (Gamlingay) England
George Cooper Son - Male 4 1867 - Cambridgeshire, England
Annie R Cooper Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Bedfordshire, England
Street Biggleswade Street
Parish Potton
County Bedfordshire
Registration district Biggleswade
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1548
Folio 22
Page 35


Birth
COOPER, ANNE REBECCA (HUGHES)
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in BIGGLESWADE Volume 03B Page 334


Baptism
County Cambridgeshire
Place Gamlingay
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 670
Baptism date 14 Nov 1852
Person forename Ann
Person sex F
Person abode Gamlingay
Father forename Philip
Father surname HUGHES
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Ann
Register note 5 Years old


County Cambridgeshire
Place Gamlingay
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 2
Marriage date 20 Oct 1837
Groom forename Philip
Groom surname HUGHES
Groom age full age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname JILYONS
Bride age minor
Bride condition spinster
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname HUGHES
Groom father occupation Shoemaker
Bride father forename Simeon
Bride father surname JILYONS
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness William NORMAN
Witness Margaret SNELL
Register note Bride and groom signed with a mark


Birth
HUGHES, ANN (JILYANS)
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in CAXTON AND ARRINGTON UNION Volume 14 Page 29

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Oct 2017 15:41


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rosemary RD, 7, Martello Terrace, Great Clacton, Tendring, Essex, England

Benjamin Cooper Head Married Male 37 1844 Railway Labourer Potton, Bedfordshire, England
Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England
George Cooper Son Single Male 16 1865 Scholar Potton, Bedfordshire, England
Annie Cooper Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Potton, Bedfordshire, England
Jane Cooper Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Potton, Bedfordshire, England
Minnie Cooper Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Harwich, Essex, England
George Banks Lodger Single Male 23 1858 General Laborer Suffolk, England
Henry Howard Lodger Single Male 30 1851 General Laborer Essex, England
William Sutherwood Lodger Single Male 20 1861 General Laborer Wormingford, Essex, England
Henry Popperwell Lodger Single Male 19 1862 Ag Lab Essex, England
Joseph Partridge Lodger Single Male 39 1842 Ag Lab Essex, England

malyon

malyon Report 29 Oct 2017 15:39

COOPER, ARTHUR  HENRY  
TILLETT  

GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in NORWICH  Volume 04B  Page 119

COOPER, ARTHUR  VICTOR  
WARNES  

GRO Reference: 1887  M Quarter in NORWICH  Volume 04B  Page 136

COOPER, ARTHUR  WILLIAM  
BECKETT  

GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in NORWICH  Volume 04B  Page 163

malyon

malyon Report 29 Oct 2017 15:37


Mother's Maiden Surname: 
Order:
COOPER, ARTHUR  ALFRED  
BARKER  

GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK  Volume 04B  Page 31

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Oct 2017 14:21

If I repeat the 1901 posted by PH, but include places of birth from original, might help to find births with a relevant mmn to help identify Nora?
Are William, Emily, Daisy and Arthur (1888) hers?

Napton could be Knapton - 9 miles SE of Cromer, 19.5 miles NE of Norwich

George B Cooper Head Married Male 36 1865 Foreman Labourer New Railway Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England
Nora Cooper Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Napton, Norfolk, England
William Cooper Son Single Male 20 1881 Railway Engine Driver - Napton, Norwich
Emily Cooper Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - - Napton, Norwich
Daisy Cooper Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - - Napton, Norwich
Arthur Cooper Son - Male 13 1888 - - Napton, Norwich
Ben Cooper Son - Male 4 1897 - Buckingham, England
Arthur Cooper Brother Single Male 18 1883 Railway Labourer Hunworth, Norfolk, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Oct 2017 13:46

I have been trying to find a Nora/Norah ??? on the 1891 census.......with or without the older children named on the 1901 census.

But it's not happening! :-(

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Oct 2017 13:07

Ah, i think i get it now.

Here is the Grandmother Ann on the 1891 census......

(Note that son George is a widower)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dillwyn Road, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

Ben Cooper Head Married Male 46 1845 General Labourer Cambridgeshire, England
Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Cambridgeshire, England
George Cooper Son Widower Male 24 1867 General Labourer Cambridgeshire, England
Minnie Cooper Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Essex, England
Arthur Cooper Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Norfolk, England
Herbert Cooper Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar Essex, England
Annie Cooper Granddaughter - Female 2 1889 - Essex, England

Son George is now with a Nora in 1901....(And brother Arthur)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Railway Huts Kinby Hill, Coldhesledon, Easington, Durham, England

George B Cooper Head Married Male 36 1865 Foreman Labourer New Railway Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England
Nora Cooper Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Norfolk, England
William Cooper Son Single Male 20 1881 Railway Engine Driver -
Emily Cooper Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - -
Daisy Cooper Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - -
Arthur Cooper Son - Male 13 1888 - -
Ben Cooper Son - Male 4 1897 - Buckinghamshire, England
Arthur Cooper Brother Single Male 18 1883 Railway Labourer Hunworth, Norfolk, England

Lavia Wilson Servant Married Female 56 1845 - Nottinghamshire, England
James Lincoln Boarder Single Male 63 1838 Railway Labourer Hertfordshire, England
Charles Cailton Boarder Single Male 65 1836 Railway Labourer Cambridgeshire, England
Thomas Cubbon Boarder Single Male 43 1858 Railway Labourer Isle of Man, Isle of Man
John Richonson Boarder Married Male 45 1856 Railway Labourer Wales
Mick Toal Boarder Single Male 30 1871 Railway Labourer Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
William Broughton Boarder Married Male 65 1836 Railway Labourer Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
John Perril Boarder Single Male 30 1871 Railway Labourer Yorkshire, England
William Mitchell Boarder Single Male 50 1851 Railway Labourer Yorkshire, England
John Chadgick Boarder Single Male 57 1844 Railway Labourer Yorkshire, England

Note the age gap between Ben and the older child Arthur!

Now to figure out if George actually married Nora.

malyon

malyon Report 29 Oct 2017 12:36

this ben born in Buckinghamshire father born
Gamlingay Cambridgeshire

Ben Cooper
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name
Ben Cooper
Event TypeM
13
Norwich Napton
Ben Cooper
Son
M
4
Buckingham xxxxxx
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Coldhesledon, Durham, England
County
Durham
Civil Parish
Coldhesledon
Ecclesiastical Parish
Dalton Le Dale Holy Trinity
Sub-District
Dawdon
Registration District
Easington
Residence Note
Railway Huts Kinby Hill
Gender
Male
Age
4
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Birth Year (Estimated)
1897
Birthplace
Buckingham
Schedule Type
189
Page Number
40
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George B Cooper
Head
M
36
Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire
Nora Cooper
Wife
F
42
Norwich Napton, Norfolk
William Cooper
Son
M
20
Norwich Napton
Emily Cooper
Daughter
F
18
Norwich Napton
Daisy Cooper
Daughter
F
15
Norwich Napton
Arthur Cooper
Son

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Oct 2017 11:37

Is this him

Births Mar 1897
Cooper George Benjamin Brackley 3b 6

COOPER, GEORGE BENJAMIN BENCH
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in BRACKLEY Volume 03B Page 6