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George Cole 1861?

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Marcus

Marcus Report 28 Oct 2017 17:16

Thanks Malyon, but this George was born in Deptford, Kent.

So not my George!!

Thanks anyway.

malyon

malyon Report 28 Oct 2017 15:39

could be him at sea 1861

George Cole
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name
George Cole
County
Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1861
Event Place
, Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad,
Registration District
Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Gender
Male
Age
28
Marital Status
Unmarried
Occupation
Engineer 2nd
Birth Year (Estimated)
1833
Birthplace
England
Page Number
1
Registration Number
RG09
Piece/Folio
4461 / 85
Affiliate Record Type
Household

malyon

malyon Report 28 Oct 2017 15:36

George Cole
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name
George Cole
Event Type
Marriage
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1850
Registration District
Bethnal Green
County
London
Event Place
Bethnal Green, London, England
Volume
2
Page
14
Line Number
28
 
George Cole probably married one of the following people
Name
Amos Buckley
Name
William James Mitchell
Name
Celia Murrell
Name
Elizabeth Newland
Name
Thomas Norcott
Name
Ann Silverside
Name
Caroline Wren

malyon

malyon Report 28 Oct 2017 15:33

George Cole
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name
George Cole
Event Type
Death
Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year
1877
Registration District
Hackney
County
London
Event Place
Hackney, London, England
Age (available after 1866)
44
Birth Year (Estimated)
1833
Volume
1B
Page
387
Line Number
262

Marcus

Marcus Report 28 Oct 2017 15:19

Thanks for all your replies......

I am confused as to who married / did not marry who!!

I have found a few possible deaths for George Cole 1861 - 1877.

2 for Bethnal Green, 2 for Poplar, 1 for Whitechapel, 1 for St. Olave and 1 for Hackney.

That is assuming George died in this time period. If not, then where is he??

Dea

Dea Report 28 Oct 2017 15:14

George Barrell was already married:


Name: George Barrell - Bricklayer. 3a John St.
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1841
Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1863
Marriage Place: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Charles Barrell - Bricklayer
Spouse: Ann Nathan - fr. Lewis Nathan - solicitor
Register Type: Parish Register

Dea x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 14:39

I am wondering if Mary Ann moved on from George Cole after the 1861 census.

And she then moved on to a George Barrell?

She didn't marry George Barrell......but because of her children, he took on the surname of Matthews?

Pure speculation of course!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 14:35

I can't cope!

:-S :-D

Dea

Dea Report 28 Oct 2017 14:25

Well, you do 'seem' to be on the right track Prickles though there are several name changes and occupation changes which is very confusing !! :-S

Dea x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 14:19

They appear as Matthews on the 1901 census.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Block 1, 4, Eastman Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

George Matthews Head Married Male 58 1843 Street Musician Mile End, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary Matthews Wife Married Female 66 1835 Street Musician Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Agnes Matthews Daughter Single Female 34 1867 Needle Hand Clothing Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England


??

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4 Eastman St Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

George Matthews Husband Marrid Male House Decorator 68 1843 Mile End London
Transcription
Mary Ann Matthews Wife Married Female Weaver Silk 76 1835 Bethnal Gn London

Married 45 years....2 children born and living

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 14:08

H'mmmm :-S

I don't know if i am on the right track here....

??

Agnes Barrell in the 1881 England Census
Name: Agnes Barrell
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: George Barrell
Mother: Mary A. Barrell
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: No1 George Pla Brady St Bethl Green
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: No Occupation
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 481
Folio: 31
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
George Barrell 38 (Bricklayer)
Mary A. Barrell 45
Agnes Barrell 14
Harriet Barrell 11

Dea

Dea Report 28 Oct 2017 14:04

Name: William Matthew
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 5 Sep 1852
Marriage Place: St Andrew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Matthew
Spouse: Mary Ann Johnson
Register Type: Parish Register


Dea x

malyon

malyon Report 28 Oct 2017 14:00

this looks like mary ann in 1871 with another man so she did not marry George cole



Julia Mathews
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name
Julia Mathews
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1871
Event Place
Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex, England
Enumeration District
5
Gender
Female
Age
13
Marital Status
Single
Occupation
Lucifer Box Maker
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1858
Birthplace
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Entry Number
10
Affiliate Image Identifier
GBC/1871/0492/0094
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George Barrell
Head
M
28
Mile End, Middlesex
Mary A Mathews
Wife
F
35
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Julia Mathews
Daughter
F
13
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
George Mathews
Son
M
10
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Agnes Mathews
Daughter
F
4
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Harriet Mathews
Daughter
F
0
Bethnal Green, Middlesex

harriet and agnes mother name Johnson

MATTHEWS, HARRIET    
JOHNSON  

GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 01C  Page 283

MATTHEWS, AGNES    
JOHNSON  

GRO Reference: 1867  M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 01C  Page 265

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 13:58

??

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Eastman Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

George Matthews Head Married Male 48 1843 Stinerant Musician London, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary A Matthews Wife Married Female 55 1836 - London, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Agnes Matthews Daughter Single Female 24 1867 Seamstress Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Harriet Matthews Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Machinist London, Middlesex, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 13:52

MATTHEWS, AGNES MMN JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 265

MATTHEWS, HARRIET MMN JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 283

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 13:47

???

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
Johnson Mary Ann Bethnal Gn. 1c 521
Matthews William Bethnal Green 1c 521

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 13:45

I am wondering if this might be the same family in 1871

??

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Scott Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

A bit odd with father George though!

George Barrell Head - Male Bricklayer 28 1843 - Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary A Mathews Wife - Female 35 1836 - Middlesex, England
Transcription
Julia Mathews Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
Transcription
George Mathews Son - Male 10 1861 - Middlesex, England
Transcription
Agnes Mathews Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Middlesex, England
Transcription
Harriet Mathews Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Middlesex, England

One of the witnesses on Julia's marriage record was an Agnes Matthews.

Julia Caroline Matthews in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: Julia Caroline Matthews
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1857
Marriage Date: 25 Mar 1883
Marriage Place: St Jude, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Matthews (Deceased) Twine Spinner
Spouse: Alfred Richard Willis
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: James Clay and Agnes Matthews

Dea

Dea Report 28 Oct 2017 13:41

This looks a likely marriage for Mary Ann?

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
Erly Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 521 Scan available - click to view
**Johnson Mary Ann Bethnal Gn. 1c 521 Scan available - click to view
**Matthews William Bethnal Green 1c 521 Scan available - click to view
Rönner Diederich Bethnal Green 1c 521 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 28 Oct 2017 13:37

The mother's maiden name for Mary Ann + Elizabeth was Johnson:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
MATTHEWS, ELIZABETH JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 290 Order
MATTHEWS, MARY ANN JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 290

Dea x

Also the same for Julia:

MATTHEWS, JULIA CAROLINE JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 281 Order

Dea x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Oct 2017 13:28

For information....

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Bath Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

George Cole Head Married Male 25 1836 Silk Weaver Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary A Cole Wife Married Female 26 1835 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary A Matthews Daughter - Female 8 1853 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Matthews Daughter - Female 8 1853 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Julia Matthews Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Transcription
George Cole Son - Male 0 1861 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England