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15 Jun 2017 18:22 |
The 1901 census:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Court, 7, Silver Street, Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
David Holland Head Married Male 22 1879 Colliery Hurrier Pendleton, Lancashire, Emilie Holland Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Barnston, Nottinghamshire,
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Pamela
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15 Jun 2017 18:40 |
Not sure why no marriage for Emilie to David Holland,? also David died in 1941 age 62 The address where David was living when he died was 1 Higginbottom Buildings Salford and this is also the address given on the marriage certificate of his son Fred Holland on 4th April 1931 Salford Thanks again for your time and help. Pam
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15 Jun 2017 18:46 |
Pam- I haven't given up. I'm just busy for a few days. I will come back to this
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Pamela
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15 Jun 2017 18:54 |
Thank you much appreciated Pam
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Chris Ho :)
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15 Jun 2017 19:30 |
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/parishes
(can't see anything looking like Barnston, Barneton, whatever!)
Chris :)
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Baptism County Lancashire Place (link for place information) Angel Meadow Church name St Michael and All Angels Register type Parish Register Register entry number 433 Baptism date 18 Aug 1878 Person forename David Person sex M Person abode 146 Charter St Father forename Charles Father surname HOLLAND Father occupation Shopkeeper Mother forename Anna
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Burial: 3 May 1941 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancs. David Holland - Age: 62 years Abode: Higginbottom's Buildings Grave: 371 Buried by: B. L. Barnby Register: Burials 1940 - 1945, Page 19, Entry 152 Source: LDS Family Search
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Edits
(looking in Newspapers, there is below)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstone
Barnstone is a village in Nottinghamshire, England, forming part of Langar and Barnstone parish. It lies on the border with Leicestershire.
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16 Jun 2017 16:20 |
OK- done a little digging. I need to crisp up a few things- but David was not born with surname Holland. It's a bit to get your head around and I don't know who his real parents were!
Birth: DARCY, DAVID THOMAS (Mother's maiden name: DARCY) GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 22 ------------------------------------------------
In 1881- living in Pendleton- Bridget is the Bridget Holland listed as his Mother in 1911.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 4, Chapel Place, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England
Ellen Lyons Head Married Female 23 1858 Cotton Spinner Ireland Bridget Hoolihan Boarder Widow Female 34 1847 - Ireland Catherine Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 14 1867 Doffer In Cotton Mill St Helens, Lancashire Mary A Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 12 1869 Scholar St Helens, Lancashire, England Ellen Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Salford, Lancashire, England Margaret Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Salford, Lancashire David Thomas Darcy Boarder Single Male 3 1878 - Salford, Lancashire, England --------------------------------------------------
1891- David now listed as a Hoolihan.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Moss Lane, Worsley, Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England
John Ball Head Married Male 22 1869 Coal Miner Clifton, Lancashire, England Catherine Ball Wife Married Female 22 1869 Cotton Spinner St Helens, Lancashire, Bridget Hoolihan Mother In Law Widow Female 51 1840 - Ireland Mary A Hoolihan Sister In Law Single Female 20 1871 Cotton Spinner St Helens, Lancashire, England David T Hoolihan Brother In Law - Male 12 1879 - Pendleton, Lancashire, England --------------------------------------------------
Now we know that in 1901 David was listed as Holland and living with Emilie. His 'mother' Bridget is also living in Yorkshire in 1901 with her married daughter Mary Ann- She is now listed as Beatrice Holland:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 23, Newport Street, Pontefract, Tanshelf, Yorkshire, England
Mary Wall Head Widow Female 27 1874 Laundress St Helens, Lancashire, England Elenor Wall Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Featherstone, Yorkshire, England Maud Wall Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Oakworth, Yorkshire, England Beatrice Holland Mother-In-Law Widow Female 56 1845 Housekeeper Ireland Robert H Elliott Boarder Single Male 17 1884 Colliery Surface Laborer Haworth, Yorkshire, ----------------------------------------------------
When Mary Ann marries (to John Samuel Wall) her father is listed as William Hoolihan- MINER --------------------------------------------------------------
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16 Jun 2017 16:27 |
This is Bridget in 1871:- born Galway
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Frampton Street, Salford, Lancashire, England
William Hoolalan Head - Male 30 1841 Coal miner Kilkenny Ireland Bridget Hoolalan Wife - Female 25 1846 Galway Ireland Catherine Hoolalan Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England Mary Ann Hoolalan Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England Helen Hoolalan Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Lancashire, England John Hoolalan Brother - Male 26 1845 Collier, Ireland
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16 Jun 2017 17:17 |
Note that when Bridget's husband dies in 1872 his surname is Hoolin. Daughter Margaret is also registered under surname Hoolin. So I suspect that Holland is another variation on the Hoolihan surname.
William's death: name(s) WILLIAM HOOLIN Gender Male Birth year 1842 Age 30 Death quarter 2 Death year 1872 District Salford County Lancashire Volume 8D Page 14 ----------------------------------------------------
Birth's of Ellen and Margaret:
HOOLIHAN, ELLEN (mother's maiden name: DOHERTY ) GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 83
HOOLIN, MARGARET (mother's maiden name: DOHERTY) GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 31 --------------------------------------
I think the only way to know who David's Mum/ Parents were is to get his birth certificate:
Birth: DARCY, DAVID THOMAS (Mother's maiden name: DARCY) GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 22
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16 Jun 2017 17:18 |
(anything relating below?)
Chris :)
Marriage: 1 Nov 1890 St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton, Lancs. Robert Clewarth - Cross St, Swinton Ellen Hoolihan - Holland Street, Swinton Groom's Father: William Clewarth Bride's Parents: William Hoolihan & Bridget Witness: William Clewarth; Elizabeth Ellen Clewarth Married by: Fr John Welch Source: Private Transcription
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1891 (Find My Past) Robert Clewarth Head Married Male 23 1868 Coal Miner Swinton, Lancashire, England Ellen Clewarth Wife Married Female 19 1872 Cotton Mill Hand Salford, Lancashire, England Street Long Street Town Swinton Parish Worsley Registration district Barton upon Irwell Archive reference RG12 Piece number 3150 Folio 48 Page 28
1901 (Find My Past) Robert Clewarth Head Married Male 31 1870 Coal Miner Hewer Swinton, Lancashire, England Ellen Clewarth Wife - Female 28 1873 - Salford, Lancashire, England William Clewarth Son - Male 9 1892 - Swinton, Lancashire, England Wilfred Clewarth Son - Male 7 1894 - Swinton, Lancashire, England Walter Clewarth Son - Male 4 1897 - Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Nelly Clewarth Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Street Earl Street Town Featherstone County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding) Archive reference RG13 Piece number 4296 Folio 99 Page 32
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16 Jun 2017 21:35 |
Excellent research and very much appreciated I am now working my way through all the details and will order copy of birth certificate for David Kind regards Pam
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27 Jun 2017 12:07 |
Hello again, to everyone helping before. I now have a copy of the Birth Certificate for DAVID THOMAS DARCY He was born on 27th June 1878 at 5 Edward Street Pendleton. Fathers name is given as . THOMAS DARCY and Mothers name as BRIDGET DARCY formely Darcy. Bridgets address is given as 35 Hope Street Indigo Street Pendleton Fathers occupation is given as Labourer. Also X The mark, of Bridget Darcy is the informant of Birth. Thanks for any follow up help you may now be able to suggest Kind Regards Pam
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27 Jun 2017 16:40 |
Hello Pam- I'll try and take another look at this sometime this week- nothing obvious coming up. Just need to get my head around the info again.
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27 Jun 2017 17:24 |
Trying to work out the marriages for Bridget ? Thanks Pam
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28 Jun 2017 12:24 |
This is a tough one!
Just to confirm the birth certificate is the correct one- this is David in 1939- birth a day out, but that's not unusual:
Holland Household 1 Higgins Bottoms Buildings , Salford C.B., Lancashire, England
David Holland 26 Jun 1878 Male Builders Labourer Widowed Eileen (M) Kirkwood (Holland) 11 Jan 1920 Female Mens Clothing Machinist Single Sorry, this record is officially closed. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Elizabeth Holland 06 Mar 1925 Female Cotton Shirt Machinist Single -----------------------------------------
No marriages of Bridget Darcy to Thomas Darcy- wondering if Bridget Hoolihan was his mother after all. Perhaps a short affair with a Thomas Darcy after her husband's death?
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28 Jun 2017 12:32 |
Thanks for taking another look. Yes that is correct person on 1939 as the address is correct. Just as you say one day out on birth. Just wondering how many times Bridget actually got married?
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28 Jun 2017 12:46 |
I suspect she just married the once:
Marriages Mar 1865 Dogherty Bridget Prescot 8b 848 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Glover Richard Prescot 8b 848 Hoolihan William Prescot 8b 848 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Wilson Ann Prescot 8b 848
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28 Jun 2017 14:47 |
will order her marriage certificate to William. Thanks again Pam
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30 Jun 2017 12:14 |
I now have a copy of the Marriage certificate for William Hoolihan to Bridget Dogherty on 5th March 1865 Prescot Lancaster. Low House Chapel Roman Catholic Church. William is described as Bachelor age 22 address at time of marriage Gerrards Bridge St Helens. Occupation Labourer. Fathers name John Hoolihan. Labourer. Bridget Dogherty is described as Spinster age 19. of Liverpool Street St Helens Fathers name John Dogherty Deceased Labourer. Witnesses William Brian and Bridget Crockwell. Signed by X The Mark of Wiliam Hoolihan and X The mark of Bridget Dogherty. Thanks Pam
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