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I now have a copy of the Marriage certificate for William Hoolihan to Bridget Dogherty on 5th March 1865 Prescot Lancaster. Low House Chapel Roman Catholic Church. William is described as Bachelor age 22 address at time of marriage Gerrards Bridge St Helens. Occupation Labourer. Fathers name John Hoolihan. Labourer. Bridget Dogherty is described as Spinster age 19. of Liverpool Street St Helens Fathers name John Dogherty Deceased Labourer. Witnesses William Brian and Bridget Crockwell. Signed by X The Mark of Wiliam Hoolihan and X The mark of Bridget Dogherty. Thanks Pam

will order her marriage certificate to William. Thanks again Pam

I suspect she just married the once:

Marriages Mar 1865
Dogherty Bridget Prescot 8b 848 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Glover Richard Prescot 8b 848
Hoolihan William Prescot 8b 848 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Wilson Ann Prescot 8b 848

Thanks for taking another look. Yes that is correct person on 1939 as the address is correct. Just as you say one day out on birth. Just wondering how many times Bridget actually got married?

This is a tough one!

Just to confirm the birth certificate is the correct one- this is David in 1939- birth a day out, but that's not unusual:

Holland Household 1 Higgins Bottoms Buildings , Salford C.B., Lancashire, England

David Holland 26 Jun 1878 Male Builders Labourer Widowed
Eileen (M) Kirkwood (Holland) 11 Jan 1920 Female Mens Clothing Machinist Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Elizabeth Holland 06 Mar 1925 Female Cotton Shirt Machinist Single
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No marriages of Bridget Darcy to Thomas Darcy- wondering if Bridget Hoolihan was his mother after all. Perhaps a short affair with a Thomas Darcy after her husband's death?

Trying to work out the marriages for Bridget ? Thanks Pam

Hello Pam- I'll try and take another look at this sometime this week- nothing obvious coming up. Just need to get my head around the info again.

Hello again, to everyone helping before. I now have a copy of the Birth Certificate for DAVID THOMAS DARCY He was born on 27th June 1878 at 5 Edward Street Pendleton. Fathers name is given as . THOMAS DARCY and Mothers name as BRIDGET DARCY formely Darcy. Bridgets address is given as 35 Hope Street Indigo Street Pendleton Fathers occupation is given as Labourer. Also X The mark, of Bridget Darcy is the informant of Birth.
Thanks for any follow up help you may now be able to suggest
Kind Regards Pam

Excellent research and very much appreciated I am now working my way through all the details and will order copy of birth certificate for David Kind regards Pam

(anything relating below?)

Chris :)

Marriage: 1 Nov 1890 St Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Swinton, Lancs.
Robert Clewarth - Cross St, Swinton
Ellen Hoolihan - Holland Street, Swinton
Groom's Father: William Clewarth
Bride's Parents: William Hoolihan & Bridget
Witness: William Clewarth; Elizabeth Ellen Clewarth
Married by: Fr John Welch
Source: Private Transcription

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1891 (Find My Past)
Robert Clewarth Head Married Male 23 1868 Coal Miner Swinton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Clewarth Wife Married Female 19 1872 Cotton Mill Hand Salford, Lancashire, England
Street Long Street
Town Swinton Parish Worsley
Registration district Barton upon Irwell
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 3150
Folio 48
Page 28


1901 (Find My Past)
Robert Clewarth Head Married Male 31 1870 Coal Miner Hewer Swinton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Clewarth Wife - Female 28 1873 - Salford, Lancashire, England
William Clewarth Son - Male 9 1892 - Swinton, Lancashire, England
Wilfred Clewarth Son - Male 7 1894 - Swinton, Lancashire, England
Walter Clewarth Son - Male 4 1897 - Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Nelly Clewarth Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Street Earl Street
Town Featherstone
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4296
Folio 99
Page 32

Note that when Bridget's husband dies in 1872 his surname is Hoolin. Daughter Margaret is also registered under surname Hoolin. So I suspect that Holland is another variation on the Hoolihan surname.

William's death:
name(s) WILLIAM HOOLIN
Gender Male
Birth year 1842
Age 30
Death quarter 2
Death year 1872
District Salford
County Lancashire
Volume 8D Page 14
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Birth's of Ellen and Margaret:

HOOLIHAN, ELLEN (mother's maiden name: DOHERTY )
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 83

HOOLIN, MARGARET (mother's maiden name: DOHERTY)
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 31
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I think the only way to know who David's Mum/ Parents were is to get his birth certificate:

Birth:
DARCY, DAVID THOMAS (Mother's maiden name: DARCY)
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 22

This is Bridget in 1871:- born Galway

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Frampton Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

William Hoolalan Head - Male 30 1841 Coal miner Kilkenny Ireland
Bridget Hoolalan Wife - Female 25 1846 Galway Ireland
Catherine Hoolalan Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Hoolalan Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Helen Hoolalan Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
John Hoolalan Brother - Male 26 1845 Collier, Ireland

OK- done a little digging. I need to crisp up a few things- but David was not born with surname Holland. It's a bit to get your head around and I don't know who his real parents were!

Birth:
DARCY, DAVID THOMAS (Mother's maiden name: DARCY)
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 22
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In 1881- living in Pendleton- Bridget is the Bridget Holland listed as his Mother in 1911.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Chapel Place, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England

Ellen Lyons Head Married Female 23 1858 Cotton Spinner Ireland
Bridget Hoolihan Boarder Widow Female 34 1847 - Ireland
Catherine Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 14 1867 Doffer In Cotton Mill St Helens, Lancashire
Mary A Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 12 1869 Scholar St Helens, Lancashire, England
Ellen Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Salford, Lancashire, England
Margaret Hoolihan Boarder Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
David Thomas Darcy Boarder Single Male 3 1878 - Salford, Lancashire, England
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1891- David now listed as a Hoolihan.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Moss Lane, Worsley, Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England

John Ball Head Married Male 22 1869 Coal Miner Clifton, Lancashire, England
Catherine Ball Wife Married Female 22 1869 Cotton Spinner St Helens, Lancashire,
Bridget Hoolihan Mother In Law Widow Female 51 1840 - Ireland
Mary A Hoolihan Sister In Law Single Female 20 1871 Cotton Spinner St Helens, Lancashire, England
David T Hoolihan Brother In Law - Male 12 1879 - Pendleton, Lancashire, England
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Now we know that in 1901 David was listed as Holland and living with Emilie. His 'mother' Bridget is also living in Yorkshire in 1901 with her married daughter Mary Ann- She is now listed as Beatrice Holland:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Newport Street, Pontefract, Tanshelf, Yorkshire, England

Mary Wall Head Widow Female 27 1874 Laundress St Helens, Lancashire, England
Elenor Wall Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Featherstone, Yorkshire, England
Maud Wall Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Oakworth, Yorkshire, England
Beatrice Holland Mother-In-Law Widow Female 56 1845 Housekeeper Ireland
Robert H Elliott Boarder Single Male 17 1884 Colliery Surface Laborer Haworth, Yorkshire,
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When Mary Ann marries (to John Samuel Wall) her father is listed as William Hoolihan- MINER
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/parishes

(can't see anything looking like Barnston, Barneton, whatever!)

Chris :)

(other one)

Baptism
County Lancashire
Place (link for place information) Angel Meadow
Church name St Michael and All Angels
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 433
Baptism date 18 Aug 1878
Person forename David
Person sex M
Person abode 146 Charter St
Father forename Charles
Father surname HOLLAND
Father occupation Shopkeeper
Mother forename Anna

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Burial: 3 May 1941 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancs.
David Holland -
Age: 62 years
Abode: Higginbottom's Buildings
Grave: 371
Buried by: B. L. Barnby
Register: Burials 1940 - 1945, Page 19, Entry 152
Source: LDS Family Search

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Edits

(looking in Newspapers, there is below)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstone

Barnstone is a village in Nottinghamshire, England, forming part of Langar and Barnstone parish. It lies on the border with Leicestershire.

Thank you much appreciated Pam

Pam- I haven't given up. I'm just busy for a few days. I will come back to this

Not sure why no marriage for Emilie to David Holland,? also David died in 1941 age 62 The address where David was living when he died was 1 Higginbottom Buildings Salford and this is also the address given on the marriage certificate of his son Fred Holland on 4th April 1931 Salford Thanks again for your time and help. Pam

The 1901 census:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court, 7, Silver Street, Barnsley, Yorkshire, England

David Holland Head Married Male 22 1879 Colliery Hurrier Pendleton, Lancashire,
Emilie Holland Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Barnston, Nottinghamshire,

OK- well found- didn't see that entry on FMP. This looks to be Emilie in 1911- birth Barnston on original:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Elms Dunstable Street Ampthill, Ampthill, Bedfordshire, England

Mary Ann Bowden Head Single Female Boarding House Keeper 66 1845 Beds Ampthill
Charles Hatchinson Spiller Boarder Married Male Insurance Broker 70 1841 Highgate Msex
Elizabeth Spiller Boarder Married Female Dressmaker 50 1861 Tuxford Notts
Emilie Holland Boarder Widow Female Milliner 32 1879 Barneton Notts

The birth certificate for David Holland with parents Charles and Hannah (Hudson) is not the correct one for the David I am looking for, as I have this certificate (9th July 1878)
The occupation for Charles is Provision dealer but my David and his Father were both coalminers and my David's Father is William and his Mother Bridget. On the 1901 census it gives David's wife as ' Emilie ' born 1876 Barston Nottingham. Thanks for helping Pam