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John Pollard H.M.S. Victory

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SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 14 May 2017 00:41

I have a friend who has heard she is a descendent of John Pollard The man that shot the man that shot Lord Nelson. John was born 27/July1787 Cawsand Cornwall d. 22/April 1868 The lady I am trying to help is Wendy Pollard born Hull. 1945 I know you are much better experts at ancestry than me I was hoping someone was as fascinated by this story as I was. and would do us the honours "Thank You"
Regards I believe there's a Lee Pollard that has a public tree on Myheritage That I can't afford if that helps thanks again.
George

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 14 May 2017 03:21

The thing to do is work backwards from Wendy, i.e. her parents' names, grandparents' names etc.

FreeBMD has a Wendy L. Pollard born 1945, Hull, mother's maiden name is Parkin.

Then there's a John T. Pollard married to Amy Parkin, 1936, Hull. Wendy's parents?

A John T. Pollard was born in 1912, Hull with mother's maiden name Ezard.

Then there's an Edward Pollard married to Martha Ezard, 1904, Pocklington. Any chance that these are Wendy's grandparents?

Mary

Mary Report 14 May 2017 10:42

lee Pollard has a tree on Ancestry,but he doesn't have John Pollard 27/7/1787 on it.

Maryb.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 11:13

For info on the family......

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Greenwich Hospital Staff, Greenwich, London, England

John Pollard Head Married Male 74 1787 Lient Royal Navy (Cawsand) Cornwall, England
Matilda Pollard Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Kingsland
Matilda M Pollard Daughter Single Female 30 1831 - Devonport, Devon, England
Mary J Pollard Daughter Single Female 26 1835 - Kingsland
Cicilia J Pollard Daughter Single Female 24 1837 - Chatton, Northumberland, England
Horatio Pollard Son ... Male 19 1842 Clerk Accounts Office Ireland
Smith Eymond Daughter In Law Married Female 21 1840 - Kingsland, Middlesex, England
Edson Eymond Son In Law Married Male 33 1828 Commander R N... Hanworth, Devon, England
Emma Mashman Son Unmarried Male 24 1837 Servant Greenwich, Kent, England
May A M Mashman Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Servant Greenwich, Kent, England


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) JOHN
Last name POLLARD
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1787
Age 81
Death quarter 2
Death year 1868
District Greenwich
County London
Volume 1D
Page 466
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain


Deaths Jun 1863 (>99%)
Pollard Matilda Greenwich 1d 433


Matilda Pollard in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: Matilda Pollard
Birth Date: abt 1802
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1863
Death Age: 61
Burial Date: 5 May 1863
Burial Place: Greenwich, Kent, England
Piece Title: Piece 18-2: Greenwich Hospital and Schools, Baptisms, Burials, 1859-1864

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 11:33

John Pollard in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: John Pollard
Death Date: 23 Apr 1868
Death Place: Kent, England
Probate Date: 16 May 1868
Registry: Principal Registry

Late of Greenwich Hospital in the Parish of Greenwich.Retired Commander from Her Majesties Navy....Died at Greenwich Hospital.

Proved by The Oath of Matilda Mary Pollard of Greenwich Hospital aforesaid Spinster the Daughter of one of the Executrixes.

Effects: Under £300

Son Horatio...

Horatio John Pollard in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Horatio John Pollard
Death Date: 21 Feb 1866
Death Place: Kent, England
Probate Date: 30 May 1866
Registry: Principal Registry

Also died at the Royal Hospital, Greenwich.

To sister Matilda Mary Pollard (Spinster) .........Effects: Under £450



malyon

malyon Report 14 May 2017 11:42

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/oxford/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8318000/8318968.stm

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/bygones/13886536.Sailor_who_shot_the_killer_of_Admiral_Nelson/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pollard_%28Royal_Navy_officer%29

Flip

Flip Report 14 May 2017 12:14

Of the 6 children John had, the only male was Horatio John, who appears to have died without getting married. If your friend is a descendant, it would be more likely that she is decended from one of the unmarried daughters? Might be worth following them through to later census.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 12:29

Daughter Emily married in 1857.......

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
Pollard Emily Greenwich 1d 762
Symons Edwin Charles Greenwich 1d 762

The 3 other sister who appear on the 1861 census...........are all spinster in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Magdala Villa, Saltash, St Germans, Cornwall, England

Matilda Mary Pollard Head Single Female 51 1830 Annuitant Interest Of Money Devonport, Devon, England
Mary Jane Pollard Sister Single Female 49 1832 Annuitant Interest Of Money Cawsand, Cornwall, England
Cecilia Louisa Golcha Pollard Sister Single Female 47 1834 Annuitant Interest Of Money Chatham, Kent, England

There seems to be a child missing from the 1861 census.

Flip

Flip Report 14 May 2017 12:31

Details of the 6 children from the national archives:

Married Matilda Trevethan (baptised 28 February 1802 Maker Church; died 5 May 1863 Greenwich Hospital) 13 August 1822, Stonehouse, Plymouth. Children: Matilda Mary Pollard (baptised 6 February 1823, Stoke Damerel, Plymouth; died) Elizabeth Maria Pollard (baptised 17 March 1825, Rame Church; married Reverend Joseph Lamphier; died) Mary Jane Pollard (baptised 28 March 1827, Cawsand Independent Church; died) Cecelia Louise Goldie Pollard (baptised 28 January 1831, St Mary's Church, Chatham; died) Emily Pollard (born 10 November 1833; married Lieutenant Edwin Symons; died) Horatio John Pollard (born 19 May 1841, Sligo, Ireland; died 21 February 1866)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 12:43

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Parkfield, Ford Park Road, Compton Gifford, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England

Mary J Pollard Head Single Female 59 1832 Living On Her Own Means Kingsand, Devon, England
Cecelia L Pollard Sister Single Female 57 1834 Living On Her Own Means Chatham, Kent, England
Ann Trenouth Servant Single Female 24 1867 General Domestic Servant Millbrook, Cornwall, England

Flip

Flip Report 14 May 2017 12:50

Matilda's probate in 1889 confirms Cecilia was still a spinster - so the marriage posted by Malyon would not be correct.

Added Cecilia died 23/9/1901, and her probate also confirmed she was a spinster - probate was granted to sisters Mary Jane (spinster) and Emily Symons (who is now a widow)

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 May 2017 12:57

Name: Matilda Treveathan
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1802
Baptism Place: Maker,Cornwall,England
Father: Richard Treveathan
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 916983

John
Last name Pollard
Sex Male
Age 21
Muster year 1805
Birth year 1784
Birth parish Cawsand
Birth county Cornwall
Birth country England
Enlistment year 1805
Enlistment date 03 Apr 1805
Muster date ? Aug 1805
Ship name Victory
Location -
Ship name or location (as transcribed) Victory
Record type Ship muster books
Archive The National Archives
Series ADM 36
Series description Admiralty muster books (series 1)
Date range August-October 1805
Archive reference ADM 36/15900
Record set British Royal Navy, Ships' Musters
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 May 2017 13:07

Name: John Pollard
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 30 Aug 1786
Baptism Place: Rame By Plymouth,Cornwall,England
Father: John Pollard
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 916982

ELISA
Last name POLLARD
Gender Female
Birth year 1789
Baptism year 1789
Baptism date 19 Dec 1789
Parish Rame
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Pollard
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Relationship Dau
Place RAME
County Cornwall
Country England
Record set Cornwall Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms


RICHARD
Last name POLLARD
Gender Male
Birth year 1787
Baptism year 1787
Baptism date 22 Nov 1787
Parish Rame
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Pollard
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Relationship Son
Place RAME
County Cornwall

RICHARD
Last name POLLARD
Age 45
Birth year 1789
Death year 1834
Burial year 1834
Burial date 30 Mar 1834
Burial location RAME
Residence Kingsand
County Cornwall
Country England
Entry number 507
Archival reference P196 1/11

rame and kingsand are close to cawsand

Flip

Flip Report 14 May 2017 13:21

Mary Jane Pollard died in Exeter in 1909, a spinster and probate granted to sister Emily (widow) & Mabel Symons (spinster).

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 14:04

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Vernon Place, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Edward C Symons Head - Male 43 1828 - Devon, England
Emily Symons Wife - Female 33 1838 - Cornwall, England
Emily H Symons Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Kent, England
Charles J Symons Son - Male 6 1865 - Kent, England
Mabel Symons Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Kent, England
Edith M Symons Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Cheshire, England
Horace Symons Son - Male 0 1871 - Cheshire, England
Anne Williams Servant - Female 32 1839 - Caernarvonshire, Wales
Ellen James Servant - Female 23 1848 - Caernarvonshire, Wales


Edwin C. Symons in the 1881 England Census
Name: Edwin C. Symons
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: "Akbar"
Marital Status: MarriedEducation:
Occupation: Capt.Royal Navy Capt.Superintendent
Registration district: Wirral
ED, institution, or vessel: Akbar (4)

Edwin C. Symons 53
Emily Symons 43
Mabel Symons 14
Edith Symons 11
Horace Symons 10
Walter Symons 7
Percy Symons 4

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
College Road, Compton Gifford, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England

Edwin O Symons Head Married Male 62 1829 Captain Royal Navy Retired Plymouth, Devon, England
Emily Symons Wife Married Female 49 1842 - Cawsand, Cornwall, England
Emily H Symons Daughter Single Female 26 1865 - Greenwich, Kent, England
Edith Symons Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Walter Symons Son Single Male 16 1875 - Rock Ferry, Cheshire, England
Percy Symons Son - Male 13 1878 - Rock Ferry, Cheshire, England
Martha Owen Servant Single Female 21 1870 General Domestic Servant Bebington, Cheshire, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 14:10

Edwin Charles Symons in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Edwin Charles Symons
Death Date: 5 Nov 1897
Death Place: Plymouth, Devon, England
Probate Date: 11 Dec 1897
Registry: London, England

Of 4 Glenside, Mannamead, Plymouth.......Retired Captain in Royal Navy.

To Emily Symons widow......Effects: £582 18s 5d

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 14 May 2017 22:07

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18527913_1896056580648258_4762949696008692297_n.jpg?oh=5dcc17afa5d7ab7495a9c583869d6841&oe=59BA26CB The ones in (Blue) are the tree I'd like you to follow Many thanks

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 14 May 2017 22:17

So can you tell us, George, if Wendy's parents are John T. Pollard & Amy Parkin?

p.s. I don't understand your generations list, you seem to have husbands & wives mixed up in the list.

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 14 May 2017 22:36

Thanks for your reply Margaret.
It's the Blue one's that are married to each other.
John Pollard b 1915 m Amy Parkin b. 1910 and so on I believe. Thanks for your interest
Regards George

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 May 2017 22:44

Unfortunately, the link George posted has stretched the thread

:-S