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Looking for any information on a Mary Ferrier who married James Kibble of Paisley Glasgow in 1801. Mary's Father was William Ferrier a Merchant from Grenada.
Mary & James had about 12 children, we think she Died about 1831.
Hope someone out there knows something about her eg. When and where born, Death date, and where Buried
p :-(

Name: Mary Ferrier
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: Sep 1801
Marriage Place: Gorbals,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: James Kibbles
FHL Film Number: 102941, 1042981, 0990755

Name: Mary Ferrier
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 20 Sep 1801
Marriage Place: Middle Church,Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Spouse: James Kibble
FHL Film Number: 1041284

????
James Kibble

Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
31 October 1777
Low Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
christening:
LOW CHURCH, PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
residence:
1777
Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
ather:
Thomas Kibble
mother:
Sarah Martin

or
James Kibble

Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
17 January 1775
christening:
22 January 1775
LOW CHURCH, PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
residence:
1775
Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
father:
Thomas Kibble
mother:
Sarah Martin

1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Holm, 8, Paisley Road, Govan, Tradeston, Renfrewshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Kibble Head Widower Male 73 1778 Metal Merchant Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
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Mary Kibble Daughter Unmarried Female 34 1817 Merchants Daughter Rothesay, Buteshire, Scotland
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John Kibble Son Unmarried Male 32 1819 Metal Merchants Clerk Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Sarah Kibble Daughter Unmarried Female 26 1825 Metal Merchant's Daughter Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Jane W Farlane Servant Unmarried Female 33 1818 House Servant Appin, Argyllshire, Scotland
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Mary Carmichael Servant Unmarried Female 23 1828 House Servant Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Kibble James — — 1855-56 Scotland, Post Office Directories Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
general metal merchant - 24 Turners Court

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William Ferrier

in the Scots in the West Indies, 1707-1857

Name: William Ferrier
Residence Place: Grenada
Residence Year: 1827

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1365115

(above related, but nothing extra added, or found on family)

Chris :)

https://grenadanationalarchives.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/grenada-records-births-marriages-and-deaths/

1841 Census
8 Records found


Piece: SCT1841/502 Place: Roseneath -Dunbartonshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Roseneath Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Roseneath
Folio: 1 Page: 13
Address: Gareloch Snak Lodge

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KEBBLE James M 60 Merchant Outside Census County (1841)
KEBBLE Mary F 20 Outside Census County (1841)
KEBBLE Elisabeth F 20 Outside Census County (1841)
KEBBLE Sarah F 15 Outside Census County (1841)
KEBBLE Margt F 25 Independent Outside Census County (1841)
KEBBLE Mary F 1 Outside Census County (1841)
MCLEAN Mary F 20 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)
CARMICHEL Mary F 10 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)

(saw below, but could be already posted, things getting confusing!)

Chris :)

22 May 1857 - Glasgow Herald - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Advertisements & Notices

VALUABLE BUILDING GROUND FOR SALE, OR TO BE FEUED.
ALL and WHOLE that PLOT of GROUND belonging to All the Representatives of the late Mrs. Kibble, situate at Greenlaw, on the north side of the Glasgow Road Paisley Road, and known as " Park Place," and consisting of 2516 Square Yards....
There is at present on the Ground a Substantially built self contained DWELLING HOUSE of Two Stories, with suitable Offices attached.


30 August 1856 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

On the 19th inst., at his residence, Park-place, Paisley-road, Glasgow, aged 80, James Kibble, Esq.


23 August 1856 - Paisley Herald and Renfrewshire Advertiser - Paisley

Death
At Park Place, Paisley Road, Glasgow, on the 19th inst., James Kibble, Esq., aged 80 years.


Edits (but, you posted below?)

Mary & James had about 12 children, we think she Died about 1831.

We think Mary may have died between 1824-1842.


https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

(if her Death in Scotland, would be on above, what details are on that 1856 Death Cert. for James?)

Have looked for Mary on Scotland's People, no luck there.
James Kibble death certificate no help either, below is all info on cert.
Death Cert. no 529
James Kibble 1856 August Ninteenth 3hr 45min. PM
Sex M, Age 80 Parents Thomas Kibble Writer deceased
Sarah Kibble-Maiden Name Martin deceased
Copper & Tin Merchant (Widower) of Park Place Paisley Rd Glasgow
Cause of Death - Natural Decay Burial Place - St Andrews Episcopal Church Cemetery Glasgow
informant John Kibble -Son

I do not know what else I can do to find info on Mary Ferrrier and her Father William Ferrrier Merchant of Grenada.
.There just does not seem to be any records.
I tried to get into the Cemetery Records to see if she was buried in same Cemetery as James, however just came up no Kibble.
I am pretty new to Genealogy and am really struggling.

Well, all a shame that Nicola S isn't about!...

(widower on his Death Cert., then what looks to be Property Sale, 1857, perhaps mistake, should have been Mr. instead of Mrs.)

Chris :)

His will is available on SP.

Kibble
James
17/8/1857
merchant in Glasgow
I
Glasgow Sheriff Court Inventories
SC36/48/43

Mary & James had children-
Thomas 1802 (died prior to 1810)
Margaret 1804
William1806
James 1807-1843 Married Sarah Hervey1839
Elizabeth 1808? Married a James Hervey
Thomas 2 1810-1841 married Margaret Dalziel 1839
Sarah 1 1812
Robert 1814 Married Eliza McCloud 1837 Emmigrated to Australia 1839-1843
Mary 1816 -1895 Married Thomas Gordon 1851
John 1819-1894 Never Married
George Augustus Frederick 1822-1879 Married Mary McGeorge 1843 Emmigrated to Australia with brother Robert
Sarah 2 1824 or 1825
Mary was still having children in 1824 or 1825 and we know she has passed when Sons came to Australia . An article I read about son John a Kibble stated he lost his mother when he was about 12, so we assume around 1828-1835 for her death.
We have been able to contact Nucola S however she could not help us,.

(does all seem frustrating GL!, saw below, from other 'Thread', not sure if Pauline has a copy)...

(and things Mary Ferrier/and Parents etc., a Surname perhaps one for spelling variants!)

Chris :)

(quote)

Also a James Hervey mentioned in the Will of James Kibble 1777-19/8/1856 (married to Mary Ferrier)
He was one of the Executors of the Will, and also mentioned as Son in Law, husband of Elizabeth Kibble Hervey


Edits (just seen above posting with reply, so seems Nicola S unable to help then, oh dear, lol)


12 December 1857 - Paisley Herald and Renfrewshire Advertiser - Paisley

Marriage
At St. Andrew's Episcopal Church ,Glasgow, on the 8th instant, by the Rev. Dr. Gordon, Richard Black, Esq., to Sarah, youngest daughter of the late James Kibble, Esq.


http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

(or available on Find My Past/ Genes, subscription needed, but things do crop up, just time needed, and various keywords, not always the obvious, addresses from Certs. etc. can help)

Yes Chris Ho
it is all so frustrating. Also mentioned in the article about their son John Kibble it stated his mother was a heiress to the a Ferrier fortune.
Yet nothing can be found about her or Father William

There was an article I posted on one of the threads- not sure which one as there are a few re this family, but it stated that William was born 1751. Perhaps you can link the correct line through the other info given in the article (namely Mary Ferrier born 1764 that married Walter Ure in 1787 Glasgow):

The article concerns the estate of Dr Peter Cochrane of Clippens

Paisley Herald and Renfrewshire Advertiser - Saturday 02 May 1863

...if Perter Cochrane the younger is found to have been a domiciled Scotchman at his death in 1835 his next of kin by the Scotch law are the descendants of his father's Aunt, Mary Cochrane who was married to her cousin, John Ferrier in 1744.

...From evidence in our informants possession these descendants would appear to embrace the present Ferrier family, also the descendants of William Ferrier, who was born in 1751 and said to have emigrated to Grenada, and the descendants of Mary Ferrier born 1764 and who was married to Mr Walter Ure of Glasgow....
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Marriage:
Name John Ferrier
Spouse's Name Mary Cochran
Event Date 21 Jan 1744
Event Place Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland

There were several children- some died young and names were repeated. These are the Ferrier children mentioned in the article:

Name William Farrier
Gender Male
Christening Date 04 Mar 1751
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 23 Feb 1751
Father's Name John Farrier
Mother's Name Mary Cochran

Name Mary Ferrior
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Jul 1764
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 10 Jul 1764
Father's Name John Ferrior
Mother's Name Mary Cochron
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Other articles also make reference to other children- John (the eldest son, a warper from Kilbarchen and later Paisley, who married twice without issue), and Hugh (the second son, who married Janet McTaggart, and had son William Ferrier)

During the trials reported in the paper this was a statement recorded about William (born 1851), the son of John Ferrier and Mary Cochran:

Paisley Herald and Renfrewshire Advertiser - Saturday 05 July 1862

...and William brought home with him a young woman, who was said to be his daughter, and who married a man of the name of Kibble in Paisley. I never heard from William Ferrier myself that she was his daughter, but common report said so, I have seen her but not often. When William left again for the West Indies he left her behind him for her education either in Paisley or Glasgow.

...I depone as follows:- The said reputed daughter of William Ferrier was a woman of colour, but it was commonly reported that he acknowledged her as his daughter, educated her, and left her his fortune, but whether he was married to her mother or not I have never heard anything about it. Re interrogated for the persuer, I depone that it is not of my own knowledge that I speak of Mrs Kibble as a woman of colour.

...I knew a William Ferrier who went to the West Indies; he was old John Ferrier's son and a mason to trade. Mary Cochran ws his mother. There was a coloured female came over to this country who was said to be a daughter of the last mentioned William Ferrier. I was in school with her; she was said to be the natural daughter of William Ferrier.
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So from this, it sounds as if Mary Ferrier (husband of James Kibble) was not born in Scotland, but came (possibly from Grenada), to Scotland with her father to be educated.

There are possibly more articles with information. Most agree that John Ferrier and Mary Cochran had sons John, Hugh, Alexander and William, and a daughter Mary. Both William and Alexander went abroad.
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Scots in the West Indies, 1707-1857, Volume 2
FERRIER William, a mason in Grenada 1805...the in Glasgow 1810.

GAFK,
As you know, there are a number of threads relating to different branches of this family.
I posted on your other thread earlier.

Your post here at 8.22 confirms that James Kibble who died in 1858 aged 80yr, was the son of Thomas Kibble and Sarah Martin.

Nicola's original thread actually started with James's sister.

She was Isabella Kibble b 1767 who married widower, James Hervie in Paisley 1798
They died in Manchester in 1832 and 1841 respectively.


I have a vague memory that at least 2 of the children born this particular James Hervie married back into the Kibble family.

Son James Hervie from his 1st marriage with Jean Winning married Elizabeth Kibble daughter of James Kibble.
( therefore there was no biological link between husband/wife))

Daughter Sarah Hervie from his 2nd marriage with Isabella Kibble was the girl who married James Kibble (jnr).
This would make them 1st cousins

I think this could be a reference to William's death (on Ancestry). As we know from the newspaper reports above, he did have a brother Alexander that also went abroad.

Directory of Scottish Settlers in North America, 1625-1825. Vol. IV

Ferrier William. Grenada. To his brother Alexander Ferrier in Grenada 29th March 1811.
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Alex baptism:
Name Alexander Ferrier
Gender Male
Birth Date 22 Feb 1762
Birthplace KILBARCHAN,RENFREW,SCOTLAND
Father's Name John Ferrier
Mother's Name Mary Cochran

(not sure if below is him, Alexander Ferrier, and a John Ferrier, as Owner's Name on there also)

Chris :)

All Slave Registers of former British Colonial Dependencies, 1813-1834 (Ancestry)

(says they are in lawful possession of Charles Shepherd, one of the Executors of William Ferrier, late of the Town of St. George deceased the late proprietor)

Jenny
abt 1757 Grenada 1817 William Ferrier ?

Sarah
abt 1764 Grenada 1817 William Ferrier ?

Sylvie
abt 1766 Grenada 1819 William Ferrier ?

Zoe (Male)
abt 1782 Grenada 1817 William Ferrier


(probably more items on google search, think you need to see if anything on below would be useful, or where else you could access Grenada Records)

https://grenadanationalarchives.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/grenada-records-births-marriages-and-deaths/


(and below, from google search)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=141898.27

Marriage:mn[7221]
Marriage: 1744 Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Marriage: 1744/JAN/7 Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Marriage: 1744/JAN/21 Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland
Husband: Ferrier John pn[17846] Sex M (-1719-1762-)
Birth: 1719/abt Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Wife: Cochran Mary pn[17845] Sex F (-1730-1762-)
Child #1: Ferrier Mary pn[26540] Sex F (-1744-)
Christening: 1744/NOV/30 Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier Alexander pn[17844] Sex M (-1762-)
Birth: 1762/FEB/22 Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland


(think you need a holiday in Scotland just looking up records, lol)