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Malcolm
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1 Jan 2017 09:57 |
I am trying to trace the post 1899 history of Lily/Lilian Mary Collins. Born 1880 in Whitnash, Leamington, Warwickshire, UK.
I have her history up until 1899 by which time both her parents and only sibling had died.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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MargaretM
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1 Jan 2017 10:32 |
I can't even see her on the 1891 census. What were her parents; names?
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 10:52 |
Welcome to genesreunited, Malcolm.
Did she start off as Collins, marry Mr Healey and then Mr Cockshaw?
Added: ? Marriages Dec 1915 Cockshaw Harry Healey Loughbro 7a 362 Healey Lily Cockshaw Loughbro 7a 362
? Lilian M Cockshaw Birth Date: abt 1880 Date of Registration: Mar 1944 Age at Death: 64 Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 479
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 10:59 |
Lily Cockshaw born 1880 is living witn Harry Cockshaw, 1883, in Leicester CB in 1939. No-one else mentioned in household.
This birth: Births Dec 1880 Collins Lilian Mary Warwick 6d 562
Mother's surname Copeland from GRO
Sister Annie Elizabeth, 1878,
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 11:08 |
For reference in 1881: Joseph Collins Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Ann Collins Gender: Male Where born: West Haddon, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Leamington Priors County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 4 Leam Street Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration district: Warwick ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Piece: 3094 Folio: 95 Page Number: 23 Joseph Collins 42 Ann Collins 42 Arthur Edwards 19 step son Walter Edwards 14 step son William Edwards 11 step son Emma Edwards 8 step dau Annie Collins 3 Lillyian Collins 5 months Class: RG11; Piece: 3094; Folio: 95; Page: 23; GSU roll: 1341738
? Marriages Sep 1877 Collins Joseph Warwick 6d 755 Edwards Ann Warwick 6d 755
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malyon
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1 Jan 2017 11:18 |
Lilian Mary Collins England and Wales Birth Registration Index Name Lilian Mary Collins Event Type Birth Registration Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year 1880 Registration District Warwick County Warwickshire Event Place Warwick, Warwickshire, England Volume 6D Page 562 Line Number 344
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 11:37 |
A tree on ancestry has Mr Healey as Keeley or Keely, with little evidence for any marriage, but then gives her death details as posted above.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Jan 2017 11:43 |
Mother's birth
Name: Ann Copeland Registration Year: 1839 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Warwick Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 16 Page: 478
COPELAND, ANN Mother maiden name MARSTERS GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WARWICK UNION Volume 16 Page 478
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MargaretM
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1 Jan 2017 11:58 |
This has her surname as both Cockshaw and Collins:
Lilian Mary Cockshaw
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Record Image View
Name: Lilian Mary Cockshaw [Lilian Collins] Death Date: 21 Feb 1944 Death Place: Nottingham, England Probate Date: 30 Mar 1944 Registry: Leicester, England
Of 12 Stratford Square, Shakespeare St., Nottingham. Wife of Henry Cockshaw. Effects £220
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Jan 2017 11:59 |
1841 Name: Ann Copeland Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Milverton Hundred: Knightlow (Kenilworth Division) County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Leamington Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1135 Book: 20 Folio: 7 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Copeland 35 Ann Copeland 30 Ann Copeland 2
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Name: Ann Copeland Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Copeland Mother's name: Ann Copeland Gender: Female Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Whitnash Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Kenilworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 69 Piece: 2073 Folio: 674 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Copeland 43 1808 Staffs Litchfield Ann Copeland 36 1815 Whitnash, Warwickshire Ann Copeland 11 William Copeland 9 Sarah Copeland 5 Julia Copeland 2 Emma Copeland 2 Mo
Ann's first marriage
Name: Ann Copeland Age: 21 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1838 Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Apr 1859 Marriage or Bann Place: Whitnash, Warwickshire, England Parish: Whitnash Search Photos: Search for 'Whitnash' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: William Edwards*************************************** Father: Thomas Copeland ****************
1861
Name: Ann Edwards Age: 22 Estimated birth year: 1839 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Wm Edwards Gender: Female Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Whitnash County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Radford ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Piece: 2227 Folio: 102 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Wm Edwards 23 Ann Edwards 22 Elizabeth Edwards 1
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Name: Ann Edwards Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Edwards Gender: Female Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Whitnash County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Radford ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 7 Piece: 3202 Folio: 101 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Edwards 38 1833 Wellesbourne, Warwickshire, Ann Edwards 32 Elizabeth Edwards 11 Authur Edwards 9 Sarah A Edwards 7 Walter Edwards 4 William Edwards 1
Ann's 2nd marriage to Joseph Collins
Name: Ann Edwards [Ann Copeland] Gender: Female Age: 38 Birth Date: 1839 Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1877************** Marriage Place: Whitnash, Warwick, England Father: Thomas Copeland Spouse: Joseph Collins FHL Film Number: 1067560 Reference ID: 2:3B6TBD2
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jan 2017 12:14 |
????
Lily Collin in the 1891 England Census Name: Lily Collin Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Whitwell, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Whitnash Ecclesiastical parish: Whitnash Town: Whitnash County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Warwick ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2475 Folio: 57 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Barlow 40 Lily Collin 10
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 12:18 |
Malcolm says that he has her history up to 1899 - so what would she be doing then?
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jan 2017 12:34 |
Malcolm -
If you don't know anything about Lilian after 1899, how do you know she is the same Lilian who married Mr Cockshaw?
Does the Healey / Cockshaw marriage cert say she was previously Collins?
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Oh, yes, I see the probate says she was Collins.
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Chris Ho :)
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1 Jan 2017 12:38 |
(that 1891 comes up on google search also)
Chris :)
http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/freecens/2475.html
Enumeration District 6 Civil Parish of Whitnash, Eccl. Parish of Whitnash Folio 57 Page 1
1,Holly Cottage, Sarah Barlow,Head,W,,40,Laundress,Neither,Whitnash Warwickshire,, Lily Collins,Niece,,,10,Scholar,,Whitnash Warwickshire,,
Edits (if below related)
21 May 1879 - Coventry Times - Coventry, West Midlands, England
The Education Act. Joseph Collins, labourer, was summoned for having neglected to send his son. Walter Elward, regularly to school. The Bench made an order for the boy to attend Whitnash School.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
(some Copeland on above, if anything else)
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MargaretM
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1 Jan 2017 12:53 |
I'm curious about that 1899 date, Malcolm. What have you found on that date?
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Malcolm
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1 Jan 2017 13:17 |
I am sure that the Lilian Collins born 1880 in Leamington, Warwickshire is the Lily/Lilian Healey who married Harry Cockshaw in 1915 but cannot find any record of a Lily/Lilian Collins marrying a Healey prior to 1915.
I am also trying to trace the birth of Stanley Frederick Cockshaw, born 6th October 1906. I cannot find any record of his birth under the names of Collins, Healey or Cockshaw.
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Kucinta
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1 Jan 2017 14:18 |
Stanley in 1939 register:
Cockshaw Household (4 People) 105 Saffron Lane , Leicester C.B., Leicestershire, England
Stanley F Cockshaw 06 Oct 1906 Male Bus Cleaner Married 167 6 Kate Cockshaw 23 May 1905 Female Unpaid House Duties Married 167 1 Terence A Cockshaw 06 Apr 1929 Male At School Single 167 2 Keith S Cockshaw 05 Mar 1931 Male At School Single 167 3
Plus two closed records.
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 16:02 |
From the GRO website: HEALEY, STANLEY FREDERICK COLLINS Order GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 632
Have not managed to find it on free bmd, even when I have looked on images etc
However, I have also asked some friends and they have found Stanley Frederick Healey christened at Holy Trinity Dartford on 29th October 1906 to Thomas and Lilian Healey, Westwood, Southfleet, farm labourer.
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Kucinta
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1 Jan 2017 17:19 |
I've managed to find an image for the baptism of Stanley Frederick Healey as detailed by patchem, and have pmed it to Malcolm ( Malcolm, just click on 'get attachments' at the end of the message I sent.)
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patchem
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1 Jan 2017 18:06 |
Thanks, Kucinta.
I do not understand why it shows on GRO, but when I look at the images from free bmd there is no Healey birth showing for that name, so something has been left off those lists. As the GRO details the mmn, then they are using a different list.
Anyone found any of them in 1911?
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