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And yes Thomas Rogers Evans' mother's maiden name was Rogers, I have been quite successful tracing them.

Re your 11:35 Post - I've just found a newspaper article for that Marriage. It was on 21 Sep 1868 in Newport however Andrew Nelson, a ships carpenter, married Miss Sarah Ann Jones.

Also on the 21st Mr John Rees married Miss Elizabeth Thomas


So sadly the theory about Elizabeth Thomas is incorrect.:-(

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3459345/3459353/118/

(is that a Birth on above, or relating?)


Any clue from Witness names on 1894?...

Chris :)

http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(Welsh Newspapers Online)


http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

(if anything on above)


Edits (witness John Mark Hughes, looks to be son of Hugh Hughes, Brittania House, Bangor. Occ. Draper. 1891)

(Items for Hugh coming up , Newspapers)


Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Hughes Hugh Bangor 11b 690
Jones Helen Bangor 11b 690

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4255276/4255288/44/

Arrggh, I just replied to this and the server lost connection and has lost my reply!

So marriage certificate is as follows:

Third August 1894
Thomas Rogers Evans, 30 years, bachelor, master mariner, residence at the time of marriage - Barry Dock, father Richard Evans, profession of father - farmer

Minnie nelson, 21 years, spinster, profession at time of marriage, blank, residence at time of marriage - Harry's Hotel. Barry Dock, fathers name - Andrew Nelson (deceased), profession of father, master mariner.

Witnesses - John Mark Hughes, and Margaret Evans

so from this post, we have gleaned the following:

Minnie Nelson was born in 1873 in Shanghai
In 1911 she states her nationality as Swedish
Her father Andrew Nelson was deceased by 1894 (date of marriage) but is down as a master mariner

So I am looking for a Swedish Andrew Nelson who was a master mariner, and in Shangahi around the early 1870's, or travelling that route.

As yet, I have not found Minnie's passage back to the UK which has happened sometime between 1881 and 1891 - I suspect nearer to 1891 when she first appears on the UK census at age 17 staying with a Mary Thomas (her husband to be's Aunt).

????

1861 Census
7 Records found


Piece: RG9/3850 Place: Blyth -Northumberland Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Cowpen Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 32 Page: 58 Schedule: 317
Address: So. Pit Houses

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WATSON John Head M M 36 Coal Miner Northumberland - Blyth
WATSON Dorothy Wife M F 35 Northumberland - Rothbury
WATSON Margt Dau U F 10 Scholar Northumberland - Blyth
WATSON Ann Dau U F 7 Scholar Northumberland - Blyth
WATSON Elizabeth Dau U F 3 Northumberland - Blyth
WATSON Sarah Dau U F 10m Northumberland - Blyth
NELSON Andrew Lodger U M 22 Mariner Overseas - Foreign - Sweden(Originally: Northumberland - Sweden) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Londonbelles - I have gone back to the photocopy of the log book I had to look at the sotry of Mary Rogers marrying Captain William THomas, and this is it

'Captain William THomas is the Captain of the Sattara, I think it states (copy is poor), that it loaded in Sunderland and was setting sail for Bombay in November 1863 (it could be 53 but think this is too early), with Captain Thomas was his wife, Mary Thomas (nee Rogers). It then tells a story of Mary Rogers who as an '18 year old girl made a voyage with her father (Hugh Rogers) to Sidney and Newcastle NSW. At the latter port was Captain Wm Thomas in the ship Lord Stanley (?), if memory serves me right, Captain Thomas and Miss Rogers had met each other at home, but they saw a good deal more of each other at Newcastle NSW, there being a considerable amount of ship visiting in those days. Doubtless this was largely due to the fact that many shipmasters had their wives on board, and not infrequently, a familu of children. Anyhow, Captain thomas sae enough of Mary Rogers to fall greatly and I can testify, permentantly in love with her, he proposed marriage, and she accepted him. The two ships, Glenmanna and Lord Stanley left Newcastle for the Wes Coast, South America, and finally were at the Chincha Islands together. Captain Thomas and Mary Rogers were married on board the Glenmanna in the presence of many shipmasters and officiers and not a few ladies, the officiating clergyman, being the chaplain of a British War vessel that happened to call at the Islands. The bride left her father's ship and went on the Lord Stanley, and for nearly 20 years she sailed with her husband in various ships'. The story then returns to the Sattara and her voyage to Bombay.

safc - thank you! I can look into this further

I have just logged onto Ancestry and this has come up as a hint, is there anyway someone can look at the record for me as i only have essential membership at the moment so would be very grateful.

Many thanks

New York, State Census, 1875
Census & Electoral Rolls
Name Mine Nelson
Mother Oline Nelson
Father Andrew
Sibling Chas
Birth 1873
Residence Crown Point, Essex

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

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First name(s) ANDREW
Last name NELSON
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1864
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ANDREW NELSON married one of these people
MARGARET JANE HUNTER, ANN BROWN
District TYNEMOUTH
District number -
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 239
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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just because its northumberland

and tynemouth a shipping port

safc, I am thinking there can't be too many master mariners around that time from Sweden with the name Andrew Nelson., so I am thinking about contacting the ships list as well as seeing if we can search shipping records.

I haven't done this for about 6 years and am feeling very rusty with all the different avenues to try and where to start again! Thanks for your help!

Thanks you again Safc!

on that 1875 us census andrew is a blacksmith

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5MK-D28?i=45&cc=1918735

Thanks you again Safc! This cant be my Andrew Nelson then as he is down as a Master Mariner on his daughters marriage certificate.

Thank you for looking

I've found this Family Notice in The Lancaster Gazette and General Advertiser for Lancashire, Westmoreland & Yorkshire Saturday, January 17,1880

Deaths
Lancaster - on the 11th Inst., Hannah, widow of the late Mr Andrew Nelson, Liverpool, Mariner, Lunatic Asylum, aged 44 years.

It might not be the Family that we are looking for but thought it was worth posting

Thank you londonbelle - I will look into that but would think if parents were here in Liverpool, then Minnie at aged 7 would appear somewhere on the 1881 census

There is this 1871 Census Entry


Andrew Nelson Head Mar 40 b Sweden, Seaman
Anne Nelson Wife 26 b Wales

Living 24 Vernon St, Liverpool

I've found that some times Ann(e) is often shortened from Hannah

There is a Minnie Simpson aged 9 at a school in Lancaster who was born in Shanghai in the 1881 Census.

Could the enumerator have misheard her surname or did the school think that was her surname? I might be clutching at straws here... Lol

Hi Londonbelle

I will definitely look at this as the other people in the house could be a big clue as well.

I think I had always assumed that she came over to the UK around 1890 but this is probably because of the complicated family history that has been passed down as stories. We know Minnie and her family knew her husband's Aunt who was also out in Shanghai - see complicated story below!

Minnie's husband's family were also in Shanghai, specifically his Aunt Annie. Annie Rogers married a Captain William Williams and they had 2 girls, Lillie (Lillian) Williams (b1876 Glasgow), and Mary Williams (b1878 Shanghai). It would then seem Captain WIlliams died and Annie remarried a Mr Pearson, and 2 more girls were born Mabel Pearson (b1880ish, Shanghai) and Ada Pearson (b1882ish, Middlesex London). It is these 4 girls that appear with Minnie in the house of Mary Thomas in the 1891 census (Mary being another Aunt of Minnie's husband - note Minnie didn't marry him until 1894). The mother of the 4 girls Annie Pearson (was Williams, nee Rogers) in 1891 is in the Port of London Hospital with her young son who is a patient there. I had wondered if they all travelled together and the 5 girls were sent on to Annie's sister's house in Wales (Mary Thomas) because the young boy was taken ill on the voyage?

I did a basic search on ancestry under surname Nelson, birth date 1873, port of departure Shanghai and there were numerous hits for Miss Nelson's and M Nelson's but I cant access them any further as I haven't got a full subscription.

So complicated!

this could be the minnie simpson born china


GRO Consular Birth Indices (1849 to 1965) Transcription
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First name(s) MINNIE BARBARA
Last name SIMPSON
Birth year 1871-75
Place SHANGHAI
Country CHINA
Volume 5
Page 319
Record source GRO Consular Birth Indices (1849 to 1965)
Record set British nationals born overseas 1818-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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