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and Wow again Chris! So date might be right as I am way off with her birth date! Although in census records it is around 1843 - oh well!

I now remember why my research ground to halt - its so addictive. I am meant to be doing my VAT tax return and instead am addicted to doing this, and keep getting side tracked! Finding more out is so much more fun than entering receipts and VAT!

Baptism
County Caernarfonshire
Place Caernarfon
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number
Baptism date 12 Jul 1837
Birth date
Person forename Mary
Person sex F
Person abode
Father forename Hugh
Father surname ROGERS
Father occupation
Mother forename Grace

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above free link, if anything else there)

Chris :)

(image also on Find My Past. Hugh occ. Mariner)

ROGERS MARY 1837 - Caernarvonshire Baptisms Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4460455/4460458/21/

(1836 Hugh Rogers Marriage)

I have just found Mary Rogers marriage to William Thomas although I think the date is wrong, it is recorded as 7 Feb [1856?] and she would have only been 13 if this was correct so think it is wrong

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AM-EMI/2003-12/1070756331

Record reads:
p403 Marriage 7 Feb [1856 ?] Chincha Islands, Peru
William THOMAS, bachelor, born Manchester, master barque 'Lord Stanley'
Mary ROGERS, spinster, born Caernarvon
by J J BALLIENE, Chaplain HMS 'Tribune'
in board [ship] 'Glenmanna' at Chincha Islands
witness Hugh ROGERS, master 'Glenmanna'; Thomas WILLIAMS; Charlotte STEVENS

Hugh Rogers being her father, and them marrying on his ship the Glenmanna.

Happy New Year to all of you amazing people who have helped here ??

Thanks Chris, I got master mariner from Minnie's marriage certificate which again is just assuming it is correct!

(if below can be translated!)

Edits (No, looks like he was Navy Rating, AB, presuming not Master Mariner!)

Chris :)

UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969 (Ancestry)

Name: A Nelson
Death Date: 1875
Death Place: Belgium, Liverpool, Antwerp
Event Type: Death
Piece Description: RG 35: Miscellaneous Foreign Deaths, 1830-1921

(also on below)

http://tinyurl.com/h6fokg5

(The Official Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial BMDs Service)

Nelson Andrew 1875 Death Belgium RG35_23


Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Andrew
Last name Nelson
Gender Male
Death year 1875
Death date 23 Jul 1875
Reported date 1875
Vessel name Brancepeth
Departure port Hull Antwerp
Series BT 153

I presume it must be a mistake- although original definitely says Samuel for father)!? Oh, Happy New Year :-D

Probate for Grace:

Name: Grace Rogers
Death Date: 27 Sep 1900
Death Place: Caernarvonshire, Wales
Probate Date: 21 Dec 1910
Registry: Bangor

ROGERS Grace of Bodhyfryd Llandwrog Carnarvonshire widow died 27 September 1900 Administration (with Will limited) Bangor 21 December to Annie Pearson widow the attorney of Thomas Lloyd Rogers effects £175

There was a brother of hers called Samuel, much younger though and her mothers maiden name was Samuels! I must admit I didn't expect marriage certificates to be inaccurate. Hugh Rogers was def her father, I've had quite a lot of success with this side of the family

Ooerr!...supposed to be Hugh, Grace the Mother...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/prichard%2c%20evans%2c%20rogers/thread/1142995?d=asc

Chris :)

(on that 1873 Marriage, it's Annie who is 22, William 36, witnesses look to be Laura Williams, Thomas Rogers)


Edits (that Hugh Rogers Death reference below, Bodhyfryd. 1886)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3561820/3561828/55/

(his Burial image, Find My Past)

But on her marriage to James Pearson, father is listed as Samuel?!

Name: Annie Williams (Widow)
[Annie Rogers]
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1850
Marriage Age: 38
Marriage Date: 3 Sep 1888
Marriage Place: Shanghai, China
Event Type: Marriage
Father: Samuel Rogers
Spouse: James Thomas Pearson (Widower)
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 47
Father-in-Law: John Pearson
Piece Description: RG 33: Foreign Registers and Returns, 1627-1960

That marriage of Annie Rogers and William Williams is definitely my people as Annie's father was Hugh Rogers and he was a master mariner.

As for the Nelson's I am not convinced this is the right family as Minnie will have only been 8 in 1881 and would surely have been with the family?

It is so frustrating as it would seem there is no record of her birth in Shanghai, I believe all the records were destroyed in a fire and it is that birth certificate which holds the key. I have loads of photos of her, houses and ships with her either outside or on, but none of them hold any clues to her parents. Her marriage certificate is the only clue with father down as Andrew Nelson, master mariner, deceased. My Great Aunt (Minnie's daughter) remembered being on board ship as a child and spent many hours telling us stories, and spoke of her mother and father fondly but never mentioned her grandparents.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
NELSON Andrew MACKNAULTY Sarah A Toxteth Park, St. James Liverpool 2105TP/9/34

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
191, Beaufort Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Andrew Nelson Head Married Male 38 1843 S Rigger Sweden
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Sarah Nelson Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Henry Nelson Son Single Male 5 1876 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Sarah L Nelson Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Frank Adams Boarder Head Married Male 28 1853 Boot Maker Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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Eileyday Adams Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Bolton, England
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Elizabeth Adams Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Bolton, England
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Thomas Adams Son Single Male 0 1881 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Charles Henry Lodger Married Male 25 1856 Fireman Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Jane Henry Lodger Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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John Monaghan Lodger Single Male 24 1857 Bricklayers Labourer Mayo, Ireland
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Samuel Forster Lodger Married Male 29 1852 Flatman Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Mary Forster Lodger Wife Married Female 23 1858 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%)
FRASER James McBurnie W. Derby 8b 571
MACKNAULTY Sarah Ann W. Derby 8b 571 xxxxxxxxxxx
McWilliams Sarah W. Derby 8b 571
NELSON Andrew W. Derby 8b 571 xxxxxxxxxxxxx

on cheshire marriage bonds he is a mariner and its crossed out
both living at 60 beaufort street toxteth park

Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 Transcription
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First name(s) Annie
Last name Rogers
Age 36y
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 19 Jul 1873
Marriage place Bebington
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Williams
Spouse's age 22y
Bride's father's name Hugh Rogers
City or town Bebington
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 1 p 27
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

wiliam is a widower and a master mariner

hugh is a master mariner

(getting a bit spooky this AQ, lol, just saw below)

Chris :)

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875

WILLIAMS William ROGERS Annie Bebington, St Andrew Wirral BK58/3/54

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Possibly this marriage- not Liverpool but likely:

First name(s) ANNIE
Last name ROGERS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1873
MarriageFinder™ ANNIE ROGERS married one of these people
WILLIAM WILLIAMS, JOHN BAKER
District WIRRAL
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A Page 617

I think the marriage is stated as Liverpool June 1873

If the place of marriage (Li?pore) is actually Singapore, you might find the marriage at the GRO (or maybe SP - I'm not clear of nationality of father)

At SP, Foreign Returns include ... the Register of Marriages in Foreign Countries, which comprises marriages of Scottish persons (1860 - 1965).
You used to have to set the county to minor records in the marr search screen.

There were no marrs on British ships from 1837 on until abt 10 y ago.
The law was changed then to allow marrs on vessels in Scottish inshore waters - the marr would be rego'ed with the nearest onshore civil parish

Chris, I think the death you found in the newspaper is our man as the whole family were based in Anglesey and it isn't a big place, and matches the address on the will/probate.

Chris - and again thank you!

The more I think about it, the more I am sure that before I found a record of the marriage on board ship for William Williams and Annie Rogers so am now looking back - my advice to anyone is not to take 6 years off from researching your family tree as it is a nightmare trying to remember and find all the bits of info!