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Hannah
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27 Dec 2016 09:16 |
Hi Everyone, I have posted about this family before, years ago, but i am recently back to doing my family tree again and i am still struggling with them. I wondered if anyone can help? My great grandfather was Joseph Bradshaw born 19th April 1895 in Dilworth Lancashire. I am almost certain that I have his birth certificate because it fits the ages (in relation to his marriage certificate) and also his father's name. Also the area where they were living. It names his father as James Bradshaw and his mother as Mary Theresa Bradshaw (formerly Stevens). I thought i had found a marriage for Joseph's parents. July 24th 1888 in Longridge, Lancashire. It notes Mary Theresa Stevenson as age 19, residing in ribchester and father's name Adam Stevenson (deceased, profession- pawnbroker). James is a widower at the time, age 40 and living in dilworth, father's name Thomas bradshaw (deceased, profession- bobbin turner)
I cannot seem to find Mary Theresa Stevenson/Stephenson/Stevens anywhere before she got married. Its driving me insane! I may have just found an Adam and Elizabeth living in lodgings on the 1871 census but no Mary! Where would she be if she was only 3 years old? Am i missing something blindingly obvious?!
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safc
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27 Dec 2016 09:59 |
Marriage: 24 Jul 1888 St Lawrence, Longridge, Lancashire, England James Bradshaw - 40, Sawyer, Widower, Dilworth, Longridge Mary Theresa Stevenson - 19, Spinster, Ribchester Groom's Father: Thomas Bradshaw, (Deceased), Bobbin Turner Bride's Father: Adam Stevenson, (Deceased), Pawnbroker Witness: William Walton; Ellen Gregson Married by Banns by: H. T. Greaves M. A., Curate Register: Marriages 1838 - 1895, Page 186, Entry 372 Source: LDS Film 1657578
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27 Dec 2016 10:16 |
Thanks safc, That's the marriage certificate i have. I just cant seem to find Mary or Adam before she married James.
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27 Dec 2016 10:16 |
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Bottoms, Dilworth, Preston, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Bradshaw Head Married Male 44 1847 Wood Sawyer Lancashire, England Transcription Mary J Bradshaw Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Thomas Bradshaw Son Single Male 20 1871 Bobbin Turner Ribchester, Lancashire, England Transcription Edward Bradshaw Son Single Male 18 1873 Bobbin Turner Ribchester, Lancashire, England Transcription Arthur Bradshaw Son - Male 15 1876 Weaver Cotton Ribchester, Lancashire, England James Bradshaw Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Ellen Bradshaw Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Lancashire, England Transcription George Bradshaw Son - Male 1 1890 - Lancashire, England
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Hannah
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27 Dec 2016 10:24 |
Yes that's them living as a family :-)
Some of the older children were from the father's previous marriage.
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27 Dec 2016 10:28 |
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Marriage: 5 Aug 1862 St Anne, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Adam Stephenson - 21, Pawn Broker Assistant, Bachelor, Moor Lane Alice Turner - (X), 19, Weaver, Spinster, Moor Lane Groom's Father: James Stephenson, Pawnbroker Bride's Father: Richard Turner, Basket Maker Witness: Alexander Greenep; Ellen Leck Married by Licence by: A. S. Page Register: Marriages 1843 - 1883, Page 65, Entry 129 Source: LDS Film 1526409
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Hannah
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27 Dec 2016 10:43 |
Ah that looks like that could be them! Wonder why I can't find them on any census records?
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Dea
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27 Dec 2016 10:57 |
This looks like the father's death:
Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%) Stephenson Adam 32 Preston 8e 450
Perhaps the mother re-married?
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Hannah
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27 Dec 2016 11:02 |
Thanks Dea and Malyon, that does look like his death. I guess she could have remarried at that age!
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malyon
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27 Dec 2016 11:02 |
could this be adams marriage
Adam Stevenson mentioned in the record of Adam Stevenson and Mary Cowell Name Adam Stevenson Spouse's Name Mary Cowell Event Date 02 Dec 1868 Event Place Saint John,Preston,Lancashire,England
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Dea
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27 Dec 2016 11:22 |
A sister for Mary:
Marriage: 15 Nov 1884 St Matthew, Preston, Lancashire, England William Whittam - 22, Minder, Bachelor, Richmond St Ann Jane Stephenson - 21, Spinster, Cemetery Road Groom's Father: Thomas Whittam, Stonemason Bride's Father: Adam Stephenson, deceased, Pawnbroker Witness: Robert Watson; Phoebe Watson, (X) Married by Banns by: James Pimblett Register: Marriages 1884 - 1900, Page 9, Entry 17 Source: LDS Film 1471022
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malyon
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27 Dec 2016 11:28 |
this could be mary in 1871 census
Mary Stevenson England and Wales Census, 1871 Name Mary Stevenson Event Type Census Event Date 1871 Event Place Douglas, Conchan, Isle of Man, Gender Female Age 29 Marital Status Married Occupation Keeper Of Fancy Repository Relationship to Head of Household Wife Birth Year (Estimated) 1842 Birthplace Liverpool, England Entry Number 11 Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5775/0006 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Mary Stevenson Wife F 29 Liverpool, England Thomas Stevenson Son M 6 Liverpool, England Mary Stevenson xxxxx Daughter F 4 Liverpool, England Samuel Barrett Brother-in-law M 17 Liverpool, England John Barrett Wifes Uncle M 57 Yarmouth, England Eliza Kean Servant F 18 St Helens, England Denis Kelley Visitor M 26 Sligo, Ireland
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AustinQ
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27 Dec 2016 11:39 |
Malyon- I think you perhaps need to explain your thinking, I'm not seeing the connection there. ----------------------------------
There is a small snippet in the paper about some robberies- an Adam Stephenson is mentioned- needs a little more looking into:
Preston Herald - Saturday 30 April 1864
....Adam Stephenson deposed: I live in Lancaster Road and am a pawnbroker.... -----------------------------------------
SO I wondered if this family was connected- also in Lancaster Road (possibly Adam's father?):
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 111 Lancaster Road, North, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Stephenson Head Pawnbroker Male 51 1820 - Lancashire, England Ellen Stephenson Wife - Female 43 1828 - Lancashire, England Henry Luer Step-Son - Male 18 1853 - Lancashire, England Elizabeth Stephenson Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England James Stephenson Son - Male 5 1866 - Lancashire, England Mary E Stephenson Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Lancashire, England Mary A Blackburn Servant - Female 36 1835 - Lancashire, England ---------------------------------------
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 111, Lancaster Road, Preston, Lancashire, England
John Stephenson Head Married Male 34 1847 Pawnbroker Preston, Lancashire, Alice Stephenson Wife Married Female 32 1849 Pawnbrokers Wife Preston, Lancashire, Ann Alice Stephenson Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Charles Stephenson Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Thomas Stephenson Son Single Male 1 1880 Scholar Preston, Lancashire,
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27 Dec 2016 11:47 |
I wonder if this could be Adam's wife, Alice's death ??
I don't know how far away from Preston this is??
??? Burial: 19 Jan 1881 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England Alice Stephenson - Age: 37 years Abode: Prestwich Buried by: James Steele, Curate Register: Burials 1878 - 1891, Page 40, Entry 318 Source: LDS Film 1526141
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Hannah
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27 Dec 2016 11:48 |
That's interesting Austin, where can I read the newspaper article? You are right though, Lancaster road makes sense.
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AustinQ
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27 Dec 2016 12:01 |
Dea, I wondered about this death too- might explain why I don't see Alice?
First name(s) ALICE Last name STEPHENSON Gender Female Birth year 1845 Age 22 Death quarter 3 Death year 1867 District PRESTON County Lancashire Volume 8E Page 281 ------------------------------------------------------
Hannah- The article doesn't give anymore information about Adam- he was just giving evidence. I view articles on British Newspaper Archive but I believe Genes and FMP have the same papers online.
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AustinQ
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27 Dec 2016 12:21 |
This is quite confusing- as I don't see a birth for Mary:
Births:
STEPHENSON, ANNE JANE (Mother's maiden name: TURNER) GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 455
STEPHENSON, ALICE mmn TURNER GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 530
STEPHENSON, ALICE mmn TURNER GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 482 ----------------------------------------------
Deaths:
STEPHENSON, ALICE age 22 GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 281
STEPHENSON, ALICE age 0 GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 281
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AustinQ
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27 Dec 2016 12:42 |
On the marriage 1884 that Dea found for Mary's sister, Ann, the witnesses are Robert and Phoebe Watson.
Phoebe Watson (nee Turner) was Alice's Sister (Ann's Aunt):
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2, Disreale Street, Preston, Lancashire, England
Richard Turner Head Married Male 52 1809 Basket Maker Lancashire, Jane Turner Wife Married Female 52 1809 - Lancashire, England Alice Turner Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 Cotton Weaver Lancashire, Ellen Turner Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Cotton Weaver Lancashire, Thomas Turner Son - Male 14 1847 Basket Maker Lancashire, England Phoebe Turner Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Lancashire, England Margaret Sowerbutts Boarder Unmarried Female 20 1841 Cotton Weaver Preston, Lancashire, Richard Sowerbutts Boarder Unmarried Male 14 1847 Cotton Weaver Preston, Lancashire,
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AustinQ
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27 Dec 2016 12:45 |
This is the Aunt in 1881: (Note the Stevenson child- Likely Ann, the daughter of Alice- but no Mary with them)
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 11, Acregate Lane, Preston, Lancashire, England
Robert Watson Head Married Male 27 1854 Cotton Cloth Looker Lancashire, England Phoebe Watson Wife Married Female 29 1852 Cotton Weaver Lancashire, England John W Watson Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Mary J Watson Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Ellen Watson Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Alice A Watson Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Jane Turner Mother In Law Widow Female 75 1806 Formerly Housekeeper Lancaster, Lancashire, Alice A Stevenson Niece Single Female 17 1864 Cotton Weaver Preston, Lancashire,
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AustinQ
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27 Dec 2016 12:50 |
So did Adam have daughter Mary with another woman after Alice's death??
OR, is Mary, the Alice (with mmn Turner) born in 1865? I don't see a death for that daughter. ------------------------------------------
There is this Mary in 1871:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription School Street, Preston, Lancashire, England
Robert Richardson Head - Male 47 1824 - Lancashire, England Mary Richardson Wife - Female 52 1819 - Lancashire, England Mary Stephenson Boarder - Female 5 1866 - Lancashire, England
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