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Thank you Folks.
Heyjudeb4beatles, sorry i thought you had the rolls as i saw someone doing this on here a few yrs ago doing this, will try to get to Liverpool on tuesday 17th and check them out....
You learn some thing new as i managed to find the article on the assault in Southport, him being a Baker/ice cream maker is interesting as Frank the son was a chef and Mary (his wife ? ) was a waitress....But the railway worker looks very good for the year 1913 as that is what is on Franks birth cert, maybe he had to change jobs as we know employment wasn't easy them days.
Well i do believe Joseph was Louisa & Franks Pa but did he marry Mary ? i am sure i will discover something about this in 2017....Once again THANK YOU FOLKS.x ;-)
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Hi Joanie
We are looking for Frank too! I have dropped you a message
Best wishes
Jo
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Dea -
The birth rego that Joseph actually signed is now held at North Sefton RD.
The GRO holds a copy of these rego's (sim Ms & Ds) which they now digitize and transfer to their specialized cert forms.
This cert form says:
"CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Births in the District above mentioned."
Even if you buy the b.cert from the local RD, most local RDs lack the capability of digitizing and transferring their own regos, so you'll usually get a hand-transcibed copy - Birmingham is the only exception I know of.
Marrs are a bit difft. Pre-1898, only C of E, C of W, jews, quakers and registrars were approved to keep official marr rego's.
Post-1898, other non-conformists could apply to be approved to keep official marr rego's. Apart from the registrars, when an official marr rego was full (usually 600 entries, just like Bs & Ds), and the local registrars' copy of this rego had been checked, the church's original rego was deposited in some archive, usually the county archive. One can buy an official m.cert from the appropriate church if the entry's in their current rego.
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http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1920
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
COOPER Fred Joseph HESKETH Mabel Gertrude 1920 Ormskirk Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/70/108
If the church was not approved to keep an official marr rego, then a registrar would have to attend with his official rego for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony.
Post-1898, most non-conformist churches were approved to keep an official marr rego. The major exceptions were pre-1904, when there's a but if a muddle, and later, newly opened churches (in process). One important major exception is RCs, who chose not to apply until 1980-ish.
This might be relevant for someone with an Italian heritage. I would imagine RC marrs for 1920 would be held by the RC Diocese of Liverpool - check Ancestry. Even though a 1920 RC parish marr entry would not be an official one, and would differ markedly from an official one as it was probably Latinized, they are worth checking.
Here's an example from my wife's family:
Marriage: 7 Jan 1840 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs.
Patricium McCann -
Hannam Heaton -
Groom's Parents: Samuelis McCann, de Drogheda in Hibernia & Bergittae
Bride's Parents: Danielis Heaton, de Comtu. Carloviensi in Hibernia & Hannae
Witness: Edwardo Diamond; Birgitta Smith
Married by: T. Dilworth M.A.
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1840, Page 53
Source: Original register at LRO
This lists her ggg gran as Bridget (she died in 1836), and says she and Samuel came from Drogheda in Ireland.
Also, the Heatons came from Co Carlow
The only tricky Latinizations are:
James becomes Jacobi (with various case endings)
William/Gwylim becomes Gulielmo (with various case endings)
Nouns (e.g., names) had cases (e.g., subject, object, possessive) with their own case-endings in Anglo-saxon (and still do in German), but they've been dropped in Englisf apart from the possessive 's. They do still exist in Emglish pronouns,
Tom hit Harry, Harry hit Tom.
He hit me, I hit him.
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OLD thread, mgnv
Didn't you notice the dates?
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