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I am looking for information on James Langham, DOB Jul 1859 and his father James Langham born C1830. I know that James (son) was born in Surrey however I am not sure about his father.

James (1859) father was James and mother Mary, they were not married.

I cannot seem to get past this brick wall and would appreciate any information that you may have on this.

Thank you
Jacquie :-(

There is this Baptism in Lambeth Surrey...could this be the James Langham you are referring to?

Date 30 Jul 1859
Father James Langham
Mother Mary Torock

The above is a Transcription believe the following is James' birth registration
Births Sep 1859
Tocock James Lambeth 1d 252

Have you found the famliy on any census records?

Might this be a sister...

??

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
Tocock Annie Lambeth 1d 236

What other details do you have about James b1859? Where has the information about his parents come from?

Not this James??

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bridge Street, Leatherhead, Epsom, Surrey, England

James Langham Head Widower Male 42 1819 Tailor London, Middlesex,
James Langham Lodger Unmarried Male 3 1858 Scholar Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Ellen Simmons - Married Female 27 1834 - Croydon, Surrey, England
Wm Simmons - Unmarried Male 30 1831 Stone Sawyer Buckland, Sussex,
David Elms - Unmarried Male 27 1834 Brick Layer Shere, Surrey, England
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LANGHAM, JAMES (Mother's maiden name- DRAMMOND )
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 453

This could be that Annie

1861 census


Name: Annie Pocock
[Annie Tocock]
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Pocock
Mother's name: Elizabeth Pocock
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 373
Folio: 4
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pocock 44
Elizabeth Pocock 39
James Maidlam 18
Elizabeth Pocock 8
Annie Pocock 6
Fred Pocock 3

Did he travel to the US?

Could this be James and his mother in 1851? James was born London.

James Tocock

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: James Tocock
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Grandson
Mother's name: Mary Tocock
Gender: Male
Where born: Easthampstead, Berkshire, England
[London, England]
Civil Parish: Easthampstead
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Easthampstead
Sub-registration district: Bracknell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 755
Folio: 19
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Tocock 68
Mary Tocock 23
James Tocock 1
William Lipscomb 60
Maria Lipscomb 64

With reference to that 1857 Birth, just had a look on Cambridgeshire Baptism Index cd, for him, not seeing anything)

Chris :)

331/SAL/17/376 LANGHAM James 1857

https://www.camdex.org.uk/search.cfm

(St. Andrew the Less)

Thanks Chris, I think the Tocock James is more likely, but could do with a bit of feedback. A private tree on Ancestry has James Langham (legitimate father ) 1859- 1898 but I'm not seeing a death under Langham or Tocock that fits that information.

Following on from MargaretM''s 1861 Census find there is a Marriage of a aMary Tocock to a Benjamin Liddiard in 1862 Easthampstead.

Then in 1871 there is a James Liddiard son of Benjamin & Mary Liddiard born in Easthampstead but I just wonder if that is James Tocock?

Edit 1871 Census

Name: James Liddiard
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benjamin Liddiard
Mother's name: Mary Liddiard
Gender: Male
Where born: Easthampstead, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Easthampstead
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Easthampstead
Sub-registration district: Bracknell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 1294
Folio: 22
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Liddiard 38
Mary Liddiard 36
James Liddiard 12
Charles Liddiard 4

I think that must be the correct one as it fits with the death on the Ancestry tree:

Berkshire Burial Index Transcription
First name(s) James
Last name Liddiard
Birth year 1860
Death year 1898
Burial year 1898
Burial day 13
Burial month Oct
Church SS Michael & Mary Magdalene
Place Easthampstead
Age 38
Residence Easthampstead
County Berkshire

So where did Jacquiel get a birth date of c1830 for his father?

Just expanding on that Baptism:

Name: James Langham
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1859
Father's name: James Langham (servant)
Mother's name: Mary Tocock (servant)
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Abode: Pimlico
Register Type: Parish Registers

Thank you all for your replies. This is the information I have is as per AustinQ with the Baptism record. Mary married Benjamin Liddiard and he was listed as his stepson in some papers I was given. He was with his mother and grandmother in 1851, then 1861 listed with Mary and Benjamin. He did pass away in 1898 and he was my husband's g-grandfather and although we made a visit to UK in July we were unable to glean any further information regarding this.

I cannot locate his biological father at all other than being given c1830 so it has been particularly difficult to find as I don't even know where he was born which also makes it difficult.

Thank you all for your help and comments. I do appreciate it as being in Australia sometimes it is difficult to obtain information.

I meant to add that in relation to Mary Tocock I have been able to trace her through Polly Rubery and her help in finding Mary's mother Mary Ann Lawrence and James Tocock and her siblings Daniel, Esther, Harriet, James and Sarah.

So my problem lies solely with the Langham side of the tree which until my husband did a DNA test we were completely unaware that in fact the family is Langham and not Liddiard. Amazing the little turns family research takes.

Jacquie

Jacquiel, do you have James birth certificate?

What is the address?

(glad that Cambridge one ruled out then, cos' not seeing things Drammond relating either, lol)

Chris :)

You say that James died in 1898 and I was wondering what surname was used at his death however I can't find a death of James Tocock, Langham or Liddiard in 1898.

Yes AustinQ I managed to get the birth certificate recently.
Lambeth
1859 Waterloo Road Second
County of Surrey
7th July 1859 Hospital York Road
James Boy
Mother - Mary Tocock and she was living in Pimlico
No father listed on birth certificate

I found a record where both Mary Tocock and James Langham were servants in Pimlico.

Thats all the information I have, sorry.