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I am searching for details of my Grandfather,Phillip Scott who appears on my own fathers birth certificate in 1911. His partner at the time may have been Mabel Spooner who in 1911 lived in Urmston, Manchester (census record).
Nothing is known of him after 1911 but he was known to travel to India to buy cotton and silks to sell to the drapery trade.

Any help greatly appreciated

Philip Scott

Ref ???

1911 at Lyme Grove, Urmston
George Clark Head Married Male Market Gardener 29 1882 Lincolnshire
Mary Eliza Clark Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Utah America Resident
Horace Nevill Clark Son - Male - 5 1906 Cheshire Dunham
Mabel Scott Visitor Married Female - 28 1883 Essex Laindon
Alice Scott Visitor - Female - 1 1910 Lancs Liverpool

Welcome Philip.

What was Philip Scott snr occupation on the birth certificate.

Mable Spooner? was she the mother in 1911 ?

From that 1911 image, 3 Lyme Grove, says George Married 6yrs 1 child born, I living

Mabel, Married 2yrs, 1 child born, 1 living.

Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
Thomas Spooner Head Married Male 58 1843 Ordinary Agricl Laborer Essex, England
Eliza Spooner Wife Married Female 56 1845 - Essex, England
James Spooner Son Single Male 26 1875 Stationary Fire Man Laindon, Essex, England
Mabel Spooner Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - Laindon, Essex, England
Leonard Spooner Son Single Male 15 1886 Cow Boy (Milker) Essex, England
Percy John Spooner Son Single Male 12 1889 - Orsett, Essex, England
John Calaham McCarthy Boarder Single Male 19 1882 Laborer In Oil Stores Mile End, Middlesex, England
Parish Mucking
County Essex
Registration district Orsett
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1662
Folio 33
Page 4


Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Spooner Mabel Billericay 4a 313


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1905

CLARKE Horace N Altrincham Trafford ALT/104/9

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(possible below)

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904

CLARKE George SNOW Mary E Bucklow, Civil Marriage Trafford ALT/24/19

????

only scott and spooner birth in 1911 is this

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
SCOTT Squire Spooner Barton I. 8c 1251

urmston comes under barton l,

A tree on ancestry has this:-

Philip Scott
1883–1911
BIRTH 1883 • Co Tipperary, Ireland
DEATH 1911

Spouse:-
Mabel Spooner
1882–1951

Children:-
Alice Scott 1909–1999
Squire Scott 1911–1992

Same tree gives this 1901 census for Philip Scott

Name Philip Scott
Age 18
Estimated Birth Year abt 1883
Relation to Head Brother-in-law
Gender Male
Birth Place Co Tippersey, Ireland
Civil parish St Pancras
Search Photos St Pancras, London, England
Ecclesiastical parish Holy Cross
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district St Pancras
Sub-registration district Gray's Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel 04
Piece 140
Folio 36
Page number 63
Household schedule number 429
Household Members
Name Age
James Mc Carthy 37
Margaret Mc Carthy 33
Charles Mc Carthy 5
William Mc Carthy 28
Philip Scott 18 (Labourer General)


So occupation is nothing to do with buying and selling of cloth, so there is a mistake somewhere????

What makes you say that he travelled to India?

This will be the birth registration for Alice Scott on the 1911

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909

SCOTT Alice A Toxteth Park SW Liverpool TPSW/6/81


from Freebmd

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
Scott Alice Ann Toxteth Park 8b 160

Not what was asked for but here it is anyway:-

1939
40 Shirley Crescent , Blackpool C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Squire Scott 05 Aug 1911 Male ??? Married 192 1
Audrey M Scott 04 Jun 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 192 2

Occupation is:- Secretary and Accountant to ? Chartered Accoutants

It would help if we had more details to help us search ................

for example ....

mother's name and maiden name for the birth certificate

date and place of birth

name of Philip's father.


On the other hand if Philip is hoping to get replies from someone connected with the family ..............

Philip .................. you should Search All Member Trees

Go to Search at the top right

Click on Search All Member Trees

If any member has Philip Scott or your father's name in their tree, they will be shown

Contact that member or members by the internal messaging system

Then hope they respond.

Marriage of Squire and Audrey

Marriages Sep 1936 (>99%)
Lucas Audrey M Scott Fylde 8e 1754
Scott Squire Lucas Fylde 8e 1754

On the marriage certificate of your father, is he noted as being Deceased?

Looks as though we might have the right marriage ...............


4 children born between 1938 and 1946, including one called Philip

Marriage: 29 Aug 1936 All Hallows, Bispham, Lancashire, England
Squire Scott - 25, Chartered Accountant, Bachelor, 25 Delphine Avenue
Audrey Marian Lucas - 24, Spinster, 212 Bispham Rd.
Groom's Father: Philip Scott, deceased Gentleman
Bride's Father: Frederick Lucas, deceased, Engineer
Witness: Cyril Nuttall; P. Scott; Emily Lucas
Married by Banns by: Henry Ward, Rector
Register: Marriages 1931 - 1939, Page 87, Entry 173
Source: Original Register

"Nothing is known of him after 1911 but he was known to travel to India to buy cotton and silks to sell to the drapery trade. "

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could he have lied about his occupation?

Looks like the same person - with 2 L's, as stated by Philip:

Phillip Scott
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Phillip Scott
Arrival Date: 4 Oct 1910
Birth Date: abt 1883
Birth Location: Ireland
Birth Location Other: tipperany
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Minneapolis


The image says he was single, and his NOK in UK was his father, (not named) at 140 Whitburn (something beginning with B - Bdgs ??), Cromar Street, in a town beginning with K. Can't read it - it's got a thick black line through it.

He's a non-immigrant alien. No occupation given.

EDIT: Yes, occupation given as "Horseman"

and again ??


Phillip Scott
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Phillip Scott
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1928
Birth Date: abt 1883
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Minnesota


That one's a crew member - an assistant steward.

He also failed to join the same ship, London - NY - in December 1928.

I couldn't find any Phil*ip Scotts sailing to or from India

When was he "known to travel to India", Philip?

Was that before or after 1911?
Sounds like it should have been before, if "nothing is known of him after 1911"?