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I am looking for the mothers surname of my grand father Robert Hay,
in 1881 census he was born in forfarshire (angus) Dundee 1873
fathers name John born 1831 in Ireland
mothers name Jane born 1833 in Ireland
The other thing i am looking for if its not to much to ask is the place of birth in Ireland
of john and jane
thanks for any help ypu can give me
regards
Chris

FamilySearch site will give you this:


Robert Hay
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Robert Hay
Gender Male
Birth Date 10 Mar 1873
Birthplace DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name John Hay
Mother's Name Jane Dale

Dea x

Marriage:
John Hay
mentioned in the record of John Hay and Jane Dale
Name John Hay
Spouse's Name Jane Dale
Event Date 31 Dec 1862
Event Place Dundee,Angus,Scotland

and a sister for Robert:

from Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Martha Hay
Gender Female
Birth Date 20 Jun 1867
Birthplace DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name John Hay
Mother's Name Jane Dale

Dea x

Dea
thank you for your quick reply and the infomation it is much appreciated it will help me out a lot
Chris

Do you have them on any census please? - If so, could you post it or give a reference?

What else do you know about John - his occupation perhaps?

The only couple I can see which 'might' be them were not born in Ireland??

Dea x

(think below?)

Chris :)

1881 (Find My Past)
John Hay Head Married Male 50 1831 Jute Weaver Ireland
Jane Hay Wife Married Female 48 1833 Jute Weaver Ireland
Margt Higging Daughter Unmarried Female 26 1855 Mill Worker Ireland
Chas Higging Son-In-Law Unmarried Male 26 1855 Carter Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Jane Hay Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1866 Mill Worker Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Martha Hay Daughter - Female 13 1868 Mill Worker Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Robert Hay Son - Male 8 1873 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Mary Eliz Higging Granddaughter - Female 6 1875 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Robina Dale Granddaughter - Female 1 1880 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
House number 58
Street North William Street
Parish Dundee
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Country Scotland
Registration district St Andrews
Archive reference RG11

Dea
the only info i have is 1881 england wales and scotland census

Alexander Hay

Scotland Births and Baptisms







Name Alexander Hay
Gender Male
Birth Date 11 Apr 1863
Birthplace DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name John Hay
Mother's Name Jean Dale

That would certainly seem to be them on 1881 - thanks Chris.

I will see if I can follow them back.........

Dea x

The 1881 does seem to fit with the 1871 I was looking at but there are slight differences on the ages and places of birth??
John Hay
in the 1871 Scotland Census
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Name: John Hay
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Hay
Gender: Male
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 282/3
Registration district: St Clement
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 290 Hilltown
Occupation: Hessian Weaver
ED: 29
Household schedule number: 48
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1871_51
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hay 36 - b. Perth, Perthshire
Jane Hay 36 - b. Ireland
Margaret Healy 16 - step daughter, b. Ireland
Jane Hay 4
Martha Hay 3
Anne Hay 10mo

Dea x

I just want to say thank you for all of your help so far

Chrisx

This is Margaret Hay/Healy/Higging/ Dale....!!

Margaret Dale Married Charles Higgins 1st may 1874...Dundee





Mary Elizabeth Higgins

Scotland Births and Baptisms







Name Mary Elizabeth Higgins
Gender Female
Birth Date 28 Nov 1874
Birthplace DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Charles Higgins
Mother's Name Margaret Dale

(possibly the Charles on 1881)

Chris :)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Charles
Last name Higgins
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widower
Gender Male
Age 37
Birth year 1854
Occupation Formerly Carter
Birth town Dundee
Birth town as transcribed DUNDEE
Birth county Forfarshire (Angus)
Birth county as transcribed FORFAR
Birth place Scotland
Parish Dundee St Marys
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Registration district St Andrew
Archive reference RG12

Another child to Margaret and Charles b 6th December 1881 Charles.

If that is the family in the 1871, Jane would appear to have been married twice. If you look at Robert's birth on scotlandspeople it should give you his mother's maiden name and any other surnames she had. It should also give you the date and place of his parent's marriage. Also, if that is the correct marriage for John & Jane, the entry will give you the names of their parents.

The marriage appears to have been registered in 1863:


HAY JOHN Spouse details - Jane Dale 1863 282/1 32 32 Dundee First District

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hospital Wynd, Dundee, St Clement, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Hay Head Widower Male 60 1831 Labourer Perthshire, Scotland
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Jane Hay Daughter - Female 25 1866 Jute Spinner Dundee
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Martha Hay Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1868 Jute Spinner Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Robert Hay Daughter Unmarried Male 18 1873 Mill Worker Dundee

Given John's occupation in 1871/81, this is a possible:


Name:John Hay
Age:20
Estimated birth year:abt 1831
Relationship:Nephew
Gender:Male
Where born:Perth, perthshire
Parish Number:387
Civil Parish:Perth
County:Perthshire
Address:39 Watergate
Occupation:Weaver

Catherine Pitkeathly 62
John Hay 20

Possible baptism for the above John - the marriage record would confirm:


Name:
John Hay

Gender:
Male

Birth Date:
15 Mar 1831

Baptism Date:
20 Mar 1831

Baptism Place:
Perth,Perth,Scotland

Father:
Richard Hay

Mother:
Mary Pitcaithley

????


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hilltown, Dundee, 1st Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Dale Head Married Male 32 1829 Jute Weaver Ireland
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Easter Dale Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Ireland
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William Dale Son Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Ireland
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Hellen Dale Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean Dale Sister Unmarried Female 28 1833 Jute Weaver Ireland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Margret Dale Niece Unmarried Female 6 1855 - Ireland

That 'has' to be Jane (Jean) Dale on 1861 - she has her daughter Margaret with her, although Margaret has been transcribed as 'Healy' on 1871 Ancestry.


Dea x

FS has these births - they usually don't have much beyond the mid 1870s
Alexander Hay birth:11 April 1863 DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father:John Hay mother:Jean Dale

Mary Jane Hay birth:23 April 1865 DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father:John Hay mother:Jane Dall

Martha Hay birth:20 June 1867 DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father:John Hay mother:Jane Dale

Ann Hay birth:24 May 1870 DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father:John Hay mother:Jane Daly

Robert Hay birth:10 March 1873 DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father:John Hay mother:Jane Dale

Since Margt was b pre-1864, your easiest bet on finding an Irish locality for them is to purchase the 1911 image from SP. It might work, but probly not. Anyway, you should also be able to get another 3-4 b or m.certs for your money.