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George Wallace and Jane Petrie (Scotland)

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Theresa

Theresa Report 29 Sep 2016 09:37

Looking for family and information of George and Jane Wallace (nee Petrie). Married 07/01/1882 in Cupar, Scotland. Jane born 10/01/1850.
Known children were Thomas and Georgina born in Scotland. Thomas was born at Nochnary Farm, Kettle on 06/08/1886. Georgina was born in 1893.
Thomas sailed on the Kaikoura from London 09/08/1911 to Australia. Georgina and husband David Gibb Haldane and daughter Jean left London 11/03/1921 for Australia. Last known address for Jean and Dave was 44 Auchterderran Road, Lochgelly.
Any relatives please contact

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 29 Sep 2016 10:16

Welcome to the boards Theresa.

The best way to contact relatives is to use the Search all member trees function, top right under search. If the names are listed, send a message to the tree owner by using the 'find out more' button.
Use a wide search such as +/-2 and Scotland rather than the exact place of birth.

How much Australian research have you undertaken? Although we could try to assist, we may end up giving you info you already know.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Sep 2016 10:31

Theresa -
are you looking for Australian information, or do you want to know about the Scottish ancestry of the family?

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Sep 2016 11:22

I thought this was the family in 1901, but dates of birth of mother don't fit????

Name: George Wallace
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: davisie, Fife
Registration Number: 408
Registration district: Ballingry
Civil Parish: Ballingry
Town: Lochgelly
County: Fife
Address: 37 Main St
Occupation: Labourer Coal Mine Above Geoand
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 68
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_130
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wallace 38
Jane Wallace 42 - 1859 born: Auchtermuchty, Fife
Thomas Wallace 14 - 1887 born: Kingskettle, Fife
Georgina S Wallace 10 - 1891 born: Lochgelly, Fife

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Sep 2016 11:27

If that is the family, then this is the same in 1891

Name: George Wallace
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Newmill, Cupar Fife
Registration Number: 408
Registration district: Ballingry
Civil Parish: Ballingry
County: Fife
Address: Old School Houses
Occupation: Pithead Worker
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 7
LINE: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_124
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wallace 28
Jane Wallace 34 1857 born: Fife, Auchtermuchty
Maggie N Wallace 6 1885 born: Fife, Abernethy
Thomas Wallace 4 1887 born: Fife, Kettle
John Moncrieff 26

..shows another daughter Maggie N. Wallace.

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Sep 2016 11:32

A tree on ancestry has this for Jane Petrie:-

Birth: 1853–1858 - Fife, Scotland
Marriage: 3 Jan 1882 - Cupar, Fife, Scotland
Death: 20 Mar 1940 - Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Parents: George Petrie, Margaret Nicol
Spouse: George Wallace

George born about 1862

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Sep 2016 12:36

Jane and Georgina in 1911 by the looks of it - in Lochgelly

WALLACE GEORGINA 1911 F 19 405/2 5/ 17 Lochgelly Fife

WALLACE JANE 1911 F 53 405/2 5/ 17 Lochgelly Fife
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Georgina S Wallace and David Haldane marry 1912 in Lochgelly
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Possibly Georgina's birth

WALLACE GEORGINA SIMPSO F 1892 405/ 47 Auchterderran

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Sep 2016 13:06

? Birth Maggie N Wallace

WALLACE MARGARET NICOL F 1884 326/ 38 Abernethy (Perth)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Sep 2016 17:46

Georgina's death:

Georgina Haldane
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Georgina Haldane
Death Date: 12 Feb 1950
Death Place: Queensland
Father's name: George Wallace
Mother's name: Jane Petrie
Registration Year: 1950
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 000042
Page Number: 946



Georgina Haldane
in the Australia and New Zealand, Find A Grave Index, 1800s-Current
Name: Georgina Haldane
Death Date: 1950
Cemetery: Bowen General Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Bowen, Whitsunday Region, Queensland, Australia
Has Bio?: N
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Sep 2016 17:59

David's death:

David Gibb Haldane
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: David Gibb Haldane
Death Date: 25 Apr 1955
Death Place: Queensland
Father's name: David
Mother's name: Isabella Thomson
Registration Year: 1955
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 001363
Page Number: 1032


He must have visted the UK ;

David Gibb Haldane
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: David Gibb Haldane
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1887
Departure Date: 5 Sep 1951
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Himalaya
Shipping line: P and O
Master: E R Bodley D S C

Last address in UK: 42 Brunswick Road, Edinburgh.


Do you have his war records, Theresa?

David Gibb Haldane
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: David Gibb Haldane
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1887
Birth Place: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Age: 21
Document Year: 1908
Regimental Number: 8448
Regiment Name: Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 6
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
David Gibb Haldane Self (Head)
Alexander Haldane Uncle


David Gibb Haldane
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: David Gibb Haldane
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1887
Birth Place: Kinghorn, Fife, Scotland
Enlistment Age: 27
Document Year: 1914
Regiment Name: R Hrs
Number of Images: 25
Form Title: Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
David Gibb Haldane Self (Head)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Sep 2016 18:11

Was looking at Birthdate given for Jane Petrie above as 10/1/1850.

Don't suppose Birthdate on below Baptism would be her would it? 16/1/1850.

(not got the geographical knowledge me, lol)

Baptism
County Fife
Place Wemyss
Church name Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 63
Baptism date 7 Apr 1850
Birth date 16 Jan 1850
Person forename Jane
Person sex F
Person abode Buckhaven
Father forename William
Father surname PETRIE
Father occupation Weaver
Mother forename Janet
Mother surname PATULLO

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Theresa

Theresa Report 30 Sep 2016 03:43

I Greatly appreciate the efforts and information submitted by members. Thank you for all information. I will update info and start searching again. Regards, Theresa Fisher and Lorraine (Wallace).

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2016 08:44

PM from Theresa:

Hi, thank you for responding. We are looking for the Scottish ancestry and beyond. Mum has lived the Australian side of it and I am helping her. She has most of the Australian info although there has been some "unknown" births revealed yet no luck in finding documents to support. We were having difficulty finding George's parents and i told mum the dates must be wrong. I will talk to her when she gets back to my place and work out our plan from there. I truly did not imagine the great response we have had. Once again, thank you.
Regards
Theresa

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2016 08:53

Jane's birth, from SP:

PETRIE JANE F 1858 406/ 84 Auchtermuchty


And from FS (presumably the same person ?):


Jane Petrie
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Jane Petrie
Gender Female
Birth Date 05 Nov 1858
Birthplace AUCHTERMUCHTY,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Robert Petrie
Mother's Name Marion Speedie

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2016 08:59

Her parents' marriage/banns:


Robert Petrie
mentioned in the record of Robert Petrie and Marrion Speedie
Name Robert Petrie
Spouse's Name Marrion Speedie
Event Date 17 Jan 1847
Event Place Auchtermuchty,Fife,Scotland


And another version (or other reading of banns):



Robt. Petrie
mentioned in the record of Robt. Petrie and Marion Speedie
Name Robt. Petrie
Spouse's Name Marion Speedie
Event Date 15 Jan 1847
Event Place Kettle,Fife,Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2016 09:06

Jane Petrie
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Petrie
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Robert Petrie
Mother's name: Marion Petrie
Gender: Female
Where born: Auchtermuchty, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 406
Registration district: Auchtermuchty
Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty
County: Fife
Address: Dunshalt
Occupation: Linen Factory Worker
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 88
LINE: 24
Roll: cssct1881_113
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Petrie 65 - gardener
Marion Petrie 65
Jane Petrie 21 - linen factory worker
William Niven 4 - grandson




Jane Petris
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Petris
[Jane Petrie]
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Robert Petris
Mother's name: Marrion Petris
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumholt, fifeshire
Registration Number: 406
Registration district: Auchtermuchty
Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty
County: Fife
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 12
LINE: 23
Roll: CSSCT1871_69
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Petris 55
Marrion Petris 53
Margaret Petris 21
Jo Anne Petris 13
Jane Petris 11



Jane Petrie
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Petrie
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Robert Petrie
Mother's name: Marion Petrie
Gender: Female
Where born: Auchtermuchty, fifeshire
Registration Number: 406
Registration district: Auchtermuchty
Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty
County: Fife
Address: 125 House
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 122
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_53
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Petrie 45
Marion Petrie 43
George Petrie 14
Alexander S Petrie 8
Joanna S Petrie 4
Jane Petrie 2
Mary Petrie 12

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2016 09:11

Robert Petrie
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Petrie
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Maria Petrie
Gender: Male
Where born: Auchtermuchty, fife
Parish Number: 406
Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Dunshelt
County: Fife
Address: Dunshelt
Occupation: Labourer, 'agre'
ED: 2
Page: 29
Household schedule number: 129
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_84
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Petrie 36
Maria Petrie 30
George Petrie 4
Margaret Petrie 2



???
Marian Speedy
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Marian Speedy
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Kettle
County: Fife
Address: Clatto Barns
Parish Number: 435
Household Members:
Name Age
Alex Speedy 60 - farmer
Margaret Speedy 50
Marian Speedy 22
Alexander Speedy 20
Jane Speedy 17
Andrew Speedy 15
James Speedy 13
Wm Gaddie 20 - Agricultural labourer
Elizabeth Recher 30 - farm servant

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2016 11:02

I'm wondering about this one for the birth of George Wallace.

George Wallace
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name George Wallace
Gender Male
Birth Date 14 Oct 1862
Birthplace DAIRSIE,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Thomas Wallace
Mother's Name Catherine Simpson

It would make sense that his daughter Georgina was given the middle name of Simpson.

The 2 census shown above have him born c 1863 and I'll repeat the 1901, this time from Find My Past which shows his birth place as Dairsie not Davisie

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
37, Main Street, Lochgelly, Ballingry, Fife, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Wallace Head Married Male 38 1863 Labourer Coal Mine Above Ground Dairsie, Fife, Scotland
Jane Wallace Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Thomas Wallace Son Single Male 14 1887 Coal Miner Drawer Kingskettle, Fife, Scotland
Georgina S Wallace Daughter - Female 10 1891 Scholar Lochgelly, Fife, Scotland

1891 shows him born Newmill, Cupar, Fife less 2 miles from Dairsie


greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2016 11:27


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cot House, Kilmany, Fife, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation
Thomas Wallace Head Married Male 44 1837 Ag Lab Largo, Fife, Scotland
Catherine Wallace Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Tayport, Fife, Scotland
Agnes B Wallace Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Cupar, Fife, Scotland

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Earlseat Farm, Wemyss, Fife, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Wallace Head Married Male 34 1837 Agricultural Labourer Largo, Fife, Scotland
Catherine Wallace Wife Married Female 34 1837 - Fife, Scotland
William Wallace Son Unmarried Male 14 1857 Agricultural Labourer Fife, Scotland
Anne Wallace Daughter - Female 12 1859 Scholar Logie, Fife, Scotland
George Wallace Son - Male 8 1863 Scholar Logie, Fife, Scotland

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2016 11:29

? Marriage -

Name Thomas Wallace
Spouse's Name Chathrine Simpson
Event Date 21 Jun 1856
Event Place Ferry Port On Craig,Fife,Scotland

Ferry Port also known as Tayport where Catherine shows as born on the 1881