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2 Oct 2016 12:01 |
PM from Theresa:
I have noted the latest info, just have to put it together over the weekend. The female children of Thomas (who came to Australia) lived to at least 88 and 90 yo. Sincere thanks Theresa
[I've asked Theresa to reply on her thread, and not to me personally.]
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Catherine
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30 Sep 2016 20:30 |
Interesting:- This is a good contender for the baptism of Ann Terras:-
Name: Anna Terras Gender: Female Birth Date: 7 Mar 1804 Birth Place: Ceres,Fife,Scotland Father: John Terras Mother: Agnes Wallace FHL Film Number: 1040155
(mother Agnes Wallace)
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Catherine
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30 Sep 2016 20:22 |
George states his place of birth as Cameron on all the census records, so I think I would put this one forward as the favourite for his baptism:-
Name: George Wallace Gender: Male Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1807 Baptism Place: Cameron,Fife,Scotland Father: William Wallace Mother: Margaret Morice FHL Film Number: 1040151 ...............................................................
possible siblings for above George:-
NAME: Christian Wallace MOTHER: Margaret Morris FATHER: William Wallace BIRTH: 16 Nov 1804 BAPTISM: 25 Nov 1804 - Cameron,Fife,Scotland
NAME: Agnes Wallace MOTHER: Margaret Morris FATHER: William Wallace BIRTH: 28 Jul 1806 BAPTISM: 3 Aug 1806 - Cameron,Fife,Scotland
NAME: Thomas Wallace MOTHER: Margaret Morice FATHER: William Wallace BIRTH: 16 Sep 1810 BAPTISM: 23 Sep 1810 - Dairsie,Fife,Scotland
NAME: Catherine Wallace MOTHER: Margaret Morice FATHER: William Wallace BIRTH: 16 Feb 1814 BAPTISM: 27 Feb 1814 - Cameron,Fife,Scotland
NAME: Robert Wallace MOTHER: Margaret Morice FATHER: William Wallace BIRTH: 1 Jul 1816 BAPTISM: 14 Jul 1816 - Cameron,Fife,Scotland
And the marriage of this couple:-
Name: William Wallace Gender: Male Marriage Date: 24 Aug 1804 Marriage Place: Cameron,Fife,Scotland Spouse: Margaret Morris FHL Film Number: 1040151
(just in time for the birth of Christian :-)
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Catherine
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30 Sep 2016 20:15 |
1871 George and Ann are on their own:-
Name: George Wallace Age: 63 Estimated birth year: abt 1808 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Ann Wallace Gender: Male Where born: Cameron, fifeshire Registration Number: 443 Registration district: Largo Civil Parish: Largo County: Fife Address: Woodside Occupation: Agr Lab ED: 5 Household schedule number: 26 LINE: 12 Roll: CSSCT1871_77 Household Members: Name Age George Wallace 63 Ann Wallace 66 - 1805 born: Largo, fifeshire
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Catherine
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30 Sep 2016 20:10 |
1861 finds Ann back with her parents with brother David and George (the one I forgot):-
Name: George Wallace Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1808 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Ann Wallace Gender: Male Where born: Cameron, fifeshire Registration Number: 433 Registration district: Kemback Civil Parish: Kemback County: Fife Address: Durdom Occupation: Cattle Feeder ED: 1 Household schedule number: 220 LINE: 8 Roll: CSSCT1861_57 Household Members: Name Age George Wallace 53 Ann Wallace 56 David Wallace 19 George Wallace 9 Ann Wallace 29 Ann Ireland 2 - Relationship: Grandaughter born: Kemback, fifeshire
Grandaughter Ann looks to be the illegitimate daughter of Ann:-
Name: Ann Ireland Gender: Female Birth Date: 24 Aug 1858 Birth Place: Kemback,Fife,Scotland Father: John Ireland Mother: Ann Wallace FHL Film Number: 6035516
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30 Sep 2016 18:59 |
Margret Wallace mentioned in the record of Alexander Kinmond and Margret Wallace Name Alexander Kinmond Spouse's Name Margret Wallace Event Date 30 Dec 1870 Event Place Dundee,Angus,Scotland -------------------
Margaret Kinmond in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Margaret Kinmond Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1834 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1880: Saint Johns, Clinton, Michigan Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Alexander Kinmond (Weaver) Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Occupation: Keeping House
Household Members: Name Age Alexander Kinmond 56 Margaret Kinmond 46 Margaret A. Kinmond 8 Alexander H. Kinmond 6
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greyghost
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30 Sep 2016 16:35 |
Looks like you can spread your search to America! George Wallace mentioned in the record of Margaret Wallace Kinmond
Name George Wallace Gender Male Wife Anna Terrace Daughter Margaret Wallace Kinmond Other information in the record of Margaret Wallace Kinmond from Michigan Death Certificates Name Margaret Wallace Kinmond Event Type Death Event Date 07 Mar 1922 Event Place St Johns, Clinton, Michigan, United States Gender Female Age 87 Marital Status Widowed Birth Date 18 Jun 1834 Birthplace Scotland Birth Year (Estimated) 1835 Father's Name George Wallace Mother's Name Anna Terrace Citing this Record "Michigan Death Certificates, 1921-1952," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFH8-8S6 : 12 December 2014), George Wallace in entry for Margaret Wallace Kinmond, 07 Mar 1922; citing St Johns, Clinton, Michigan, United States, Division for Vital Records and Health Statistics, Lansing; FHL microfilm 1,973,221.
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greyghost
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30 Sep 2016 16:31 |
Also this one
Name George Wallace Gender Male Christening Place , CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND Birth Date 25 Feb 1853 Birthplace , Cupar, Fife, Scotland Father's Name George Wallace Mother's Name Ann Terris
---------------------------------------------- and the marriage of George Wallace and Ann Terris George Wallace mentioned in the record of George Wallace and Ann Terras Name George Wallace Spouse's Name Ann Terras Event Date 04 Jan 1828 Event Place Newburn,Fife,Scotland Citing this Record "Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch
just in time for the birth of Lucy.
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Catherine
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30 Sep 2016 16:29 |
George and Ann in 1851
Name: George Wallace Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1803 Relationship: Head Spouse: Ann Wallace Gender: Male Where born: Carmeron, fifeshire Parish Number: 420 Civil Parish: Cupar Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County: Fife Address: Kingask Cotton Occupation: Farm Servant ED: 3A Page: 8 Household schedule number: 32 LINE: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_86 Household Members: Name Age George Wallace 48 Ann Wallace 45 - 1806 born: Largo, fifeshire David Wallace 9 Robert Wallace 5
Just the eldest children with them.
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Possible for Margaret?? Name: Margaret Wallace Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relationship: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Largo, Fife Parish Number: 443 Civil Parish: Largo Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Lundinmill County: Fife Occupation: House Serv ED: 1 Page: 25 Household schedule number: 97 LINE: 4 Roll: CSSCT1851_91 Household Members: Name Age John Millar 23 Margaret Millar 20 John Millar 6 Mo Margaret Wallace 16
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and Ann ?? Name: Ann Wallace Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Gender: Female Where born: Fife, Scotland Civil Parish: Wemyss County: Fife Address: Buckhaven Parish Number: 459 Household Members: Name Age Mary Hamilla 35 Ann Wallace 10 Margaret Cargile 20
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Name: Lucy Wallace Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1829 Relationship: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Largo, fifeshire Parish Number: 448 Civil Parish: Monimail Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County: Fife Address: Westhall Farm House Occupation: General Servant ED: 2 Page: 4 Household schedule number: 16 LINE: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_92 Household Members: Name Age David Dickson 63 Anne Dickson 65 May Christie 24 Lucy Wallace 22
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Catherine
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30 Sep 2016 16:17 |
In which case, these would be siblings:-
Name: Lucy Cowan Wallace Gender: Female Birth Date: 5 Mar 1828 Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1828 Baptism Place: Newburn,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Ann Terras FHL Film Number: 1040169
Name: William Wallace Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Mar 1830 Baptism Date: 28 Mar 1830 Baptism Place: Largo,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Ann Ferras FHL Film Number: 1040188
Name: Ann Wallace Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Dec 1831 Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1832 Baptism Place: Largo,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Ann Terras FHL Film Number: 1040188
Name: Margaret Wallace Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Jun 1834 Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1834 Baptism Place: Largo,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Ann Terras FHL Film Number: 1040188
Name: David Wallace Gender: Male Birth Date: 17 Sep 1841 Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1841 Baptism Place: Ceres,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Anne Terras FHL Film Number: 1040155
Name: Robert Wallace Gender: Male Birth Date: 20 Dec 1845 Baptism Date: 17 Jan 1846 Baptism Place: Kilmany,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Ann Terras FHL Film Number: 1040166
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30 Sep 2016 16:11 |
If George Wallace's father was George, then this looks to be his baptism:-
Name: Thomas Wallace Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Aug 1836 Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1836 Baptism Place: Largo,Fife,Scotland Father: George Wallace Mother: Ann Terras FHL Film Number: 1040188
(same birth place as on 1871 census)
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greyghost
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30 Sep 2016 12:28 |
? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Nelson Street, Ferry Port on Craig, Cupar, Fife, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Simpson Head Married Male 59 1792 Weaver Fife, Scotland Agnes Simpson Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Fife, Scotland Margaret Simpson Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1829 Weaver Fife, Scotland Catherine Simpson Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Weaver Fife, Scotland
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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Andrew Simpson Male 45 1796 Fife, Scotland Agness Simpson Female 40 1801 Fife, Scotland William Simpson Male 14 1827 Fife, Scotland Christian Simpson Female 12 1829 Fife, Scotland Margaret Simpson Female 10 1831 Fife, Scotland Cathreian Simpson Female 6 1835 Fife, Scotland
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30 Sep 2016 12:08 |
?? Possibly the marriage of Catherine's parents, bearing in mind the middle name of Margaret Nicol Wallace born 1884 Andrew Simpson mentioned in the record of Andrew Simpson and Hellen Nicol Name Andrew Simpson Spouse's Name Hellen Nicol Event Date 07 Aug 1830 Event Place Ferry Port On Craig,Fife,Scotland
------------------------------------------------ HOWEVER - I had to have a look on Scotland's People and the certificate for the 1856 marriage of Thomas and Catherine shows
Thomas Wallace of Milton Farm, Leuchers, Fife aged 20 Farm Servant Bachelor, son of George Wallace Farm Servant and Ann Wallace maiden name Terras
and Catherine Simpson aged 21 of Ferry Port, Spinster d/o Andrew Simpson a Linen Weaver and Agnes Simpson maiden name Barron
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30 Sep 2016 11:29 |
? Marriage - Name Thomas Wallace Spouse's Name Chathrine Simpson Event Date 21 Jun 1856 Event Place Ferry Port On Craig,Fife,Scotland
Ferry Port also known as Tayport where Catherine shows as born on the 1881
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30 Sep 2016 11:27 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Cot House, Kilmany, Fife, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Thomas Wallace Head Married Male 44 1837 Ag Lab Largo, Fife, Scotland Catherine Wallace Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Tayport, Fife, Scotland Agnes B Wallace Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Cupar, Fife, Scotland
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Wallace Head Married Male 34 1837 Agricultural Labourer Largo, Fife, Scotland Catherine Wallace Wife Married Female 34 1837 - Fife, Scotland William Wallace Son Unmarried Male 14 1857 Agricultural Labourer Fife, Scotland Anne Wallace Daughter - Female 12 1859 Scholar Logie, Fife, Scotland George Wallace Son - Male 8 1863 Scholar Logie, Fife, Scotland
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30 Sep 2016 11:02 |
I'm wondering about this one for the birth of George Wallace. George Wallace Scotland Births and Baptisms Name George Wallace Gender Male Birth Date 14 Oct 1862 Birthplace DAIRSIE,FIFE,SCOTLAND Father's Name Thomas Wallace Mother's Name Catherine Simpson
It would make sense that his daughter Georgina was given the middle name of Simpson.
The 2 census shown above have him born c 1863 and I'll repeat the 1901, this time from Find My Past which shows his birth place as Dairsie not Davisie
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 37, Main Street, Lochgelly, Ballingry, Fife, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Wallace Head Married Male 38 1863 Labourer Coal Mine Above Ground Dairsie, Fife, Scotland Jane Wallace Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland Thomas Wallace Son Single Male 14 1887 Coal Miner Drawer Kingskettle, Fife, Scotland Georgina S Wallace Daughter - Female 10 1891 Scholar Lochgelly, Fife, Scotland
1891 shows him born Newmill, Cupar, Fife less 2 miles from Dairsie
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ArgyllGran
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30 Sep 2016 09:11 |
Robert Petrie in the 1851 Scotland Census Name: Robert Petrie Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relationship: Head Spouse: Maria Petrie Gender: Male Where born: Auchtermuchty, fife Parish Number: 406 Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Dunshelt County: Fife Address: Dunshelt Occupation: Labourer, 'agre' ED: 2 Page: 29 Household schedule number: 129 LINE: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_84 Household Members: Name Age Robert Petrie 36 Maria Petrie 30 George Petrie 4 Margaret Petrie 2
??? Marian Speedy in the 1841 Scotland Census Name: Marian Speedy Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Kettle County: Fife Address: Clatto Barns Parish Number: 435 Household Members: Name Age Alex Speedy 60 - farmer Margaret Speedy 50 Marian Speedy 22 Alexander Speedy 20 Jane Speedy 17 Andrew Speedy 15 James Speedy 13 Wm Gaddie 20 - Agricultural labourer Elizabeth Recher 30 - farm servant
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30 Sep 2016 09:06 |
Jane Petrie in the 1881 Scotland Census Name: Jane Petrie Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: Robert Petrie Mother's name: Marion Petrie Gender: Female Where born: Auchtermuchty, Fifeshire Registration Number: 406 Registration district: Auchtermuchty Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty County: Fife Address: Dunshalt Occupation: Linen Factory Worker ED: 3 Household schedule number: 88 LINE: 24 Roll: cssct1881_113 Household Members: Name Age Robert Petrie 65 - gardener Marion Petrie 65 Jane Petrie 21 - linen factory worker William Niven 4 - grandson
Jane Petris in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: Jane Petris [Jane Petrie] Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: Robert Petris Mother's name: Marrion Petris Gender: Female Where born: Dumholt, fifeshire Registration Number: 406 Registration district: Auchtermuchty Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty County: Fife Occupation: Scholar ED: 3 Household schedule number: 12 LINE: 23 Roll: CSSCT1871_69 Household Members: Name Age Robert Petris 55 Marrion Petris 53 Margaret Petris 21 Jo Anne Petris 13 Jane Petris 11
Jane Petrie in the 1861 Scotland Census Name: Jane Petrie Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: Robert Petrie Mother's name: Marion Petrie Gender: Female Where born: Auchtermuchty, fifeshire Registration Number: 406 Registration district: Auchtermuchty Civil Parish: Auchtermuchty County: Fife Address: 125 House ED: 3 Household schedule number: 122 LINE: 17 Roll: CSSCT1861_53 Household Members: Name Age Robert Petrie 45 Marion Petrie 43 George Petrie 14 Alexander S Petrie 8 Joanna S Petrie 4 Jane Petrie 2 Mary Petrie 12
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30 Sep 2016 08:59 |
Her parents' marriage/banns:
Robert Petrie mentioned in the record of Robert Petrie and Marrion Speedie Name Robert Petrie Spouse's Name Marrion Speedie Event Date 17 Jan 1847 Event Place Auchtermuchty,Fife,Scotland
And another version (or other reading of banns):
Robt. Petrie mentioned in the record of Robt. Petrie and Marion Speedie Name Robt. Petrie Spouse's Name Marion Speedie Event Date 15 Jan 1847 Event Place Kettle,Fife,Scotland
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30 Sep 2016 08:53 |
Jane's birth, from SP:
PETRIE JANE F 1858 406/ 84 Auchtermuchty
And from FS (presumably the same person ?):
Jane Petrie Scotland Births and Baptisms Name Jane Petrie Gender Female Birth Date 05 Nov 1858 Birthplace AUCHTERMUCHTY,FIFE,SCOTLAND Father's Name Robert Petrie Mother's Name Marion Speedie
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