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Horace and Eleanor in 1939

157 Gorseway , Dagenham M.B., Essex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
William H Turner 25 Jul 1909 Male Motor Lorry Driver Married 196 1
Eleanor Q Turner 19 Apr 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 196 2
Roy W Turner 30 Jan 1933 Male At School Single 196 3

plus one other person whose record is closed.

..........so using his middles name instead of Horace.


birt for Roy:-
Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
Turner Roy W Stanford W.Ham 4a 124


Other births in W.Ham Turner/Stanford before 1939

Births Sep 1934 (>99%)
Turner William F Stanford W.Ham 4a 97
This one died:-
Deaths Dec 1934
Turner William F 0 W.Ham 4a 257

Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Turner Jean Stanford W.Ham 4a 107
Turner Jerry Stanford W.Ham 4a 107
Looks like Jean may also have died:-
Deaths Jun 1935
Turner Jean 0 W.Ham 4a 63

Births Sep 1936 (>99%)
Turner Joan E Stanford W. Ham 4a 49

So, the other person on 1939 record is likely to be either Jerry, or Joan E. ?

Catherine Alice Mary Anderson nee Turner was the daughter of Oswald and Emily Beck not the first wife of Oswald.

Catherine Alice Mary Turner daughter 4/6/1931 died Aug 1991.She married John M Anderson 1949.

Maryb.

Jerry was probably the Gerald who died June 1935 (West Ham 4a 64)..

Ok Mary thanks.
Hadn't realised that he had given his daughter exactly the same name as his first wife, a bit unusal to give her all three names.

found out it was ivy grace shepherd she was from Oswald turner second marriage

Thanks for returning to the thread - is everything now sorted?

know found out ivy grace shepherd born 18th march 1934 died 26th dec 2014 married Charles shepherd 12th June 1954 Oswald turner father who was mother

Look for her birth on freebmd to find MMN. Then look for marriage of parents to find mother’s forename

Susan -

you've already been given Ivy's birth record.

Copying it here again:

Births Mar 1934 (>99%)
Turner Ivy G (mms Beck) W.Ham 4a 68

So her mother was Emily Beck.

Oswald & Emily's marriage (also already given on page 2 of this thread):

Name: Oswald Turner
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Emily H Beck
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 480

Susan has started another thread about Ivy today.
I've advised her to stick to this one.

Copying her post from her new thread:

just found out the facts ivy grace shepherd born 18th march 1934 died 26th dec 2014 married Charles shepherd June 1954 was her father Oswald turner and who was mother and did she have any children


Susan -

you can search for possible children here, by entering Ivy's married name and maiden name in the relevant boxes in "Births" section.:

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

There are lots of Shepherd/Turner births from 1954 onwards, in various places. You'll have to narrow it down by where Ivy and her husband might have been living, if you have any idea of that.

They married in Stepney.
If they remained in the London area, there are a couple of possible births -
Colin in 1960 - in Woolwich.
Then there were two in 1963 - they can't both be Ivy's children, of course.
One was in Woolwich (Beverley) and one in St Pancras (Hilary).

I'm not posting full details here, as they are probably still alive.

You would have to buy copies of their birth certificates to know definitely if they were children of Ivy and Charles or not.

Would a copy of her will not indicate if she had children? Would it not be a bit unusual to find merit from an Aunt or Grandaunt if she had surviving children?