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Would a copy of her will not indicate if she had children? Would it not be a bit unusual to find merit from an Aunt or Grandaunt if she had surviving children?

Susan has started another thread about Ivy today.
I've advised her to stick to this one.

Copying her post from her new thread:

just found out the facts ivy grace shepherd born 18th march 1934 died 26th dec 2014 married Charles shepherd June 1954 was her father Oswald turner and who was mother and did she have any children


Susan -

you can search for possible children here, by entering Ivy's married name and maiden name in the relevant boxes in "Births" section.:

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

There are lots of Shepherd/Turner births from 1954 onwards, in various places. You'll have to narrow it down by where Ivy and her husband might have been living, if you have any idea of that.

They married in Stepney.
If they remained in the London area, there are a couple of possible births -
Colin in 1960 - in Woolwich.
Then there were two in 1963 - they can't both be Ivy's children, of course.
One was in Woolwich (Beverley) and one in St Pancras (Hilary).

I'm not posting full details here, as they are probably still alive.

You would have to buy copies of their birth certificates to know definitely if they were children of Ivy and Charles or not.

Susan -

you've already been given Ivy's birth record.

Copying it here again:

Births Mar 1934 (>99%)
Turner Ivy G (mms Beck) W.Ham 4a 68

So her mother was Emily Beck.

Oswald & Emily's marriage (also already given on page 2 of this thread):

Name: Oswald Turner
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Emily H Beck
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 480

Look for her birth on freebmd to find MMN. Then look for marriage of parents to find mother’s forename

know found out ivy grace shepherd born 18th march 1934 died 26th dec 2014 married Charles shepherd 12th June 1954 Oswald turner father who was mother

Thanks for returning to the thread - is everything now sorted?

found out it was ivy grace shepherd she was from Oswald turner second marriage

Ok Mary thanks.
Hadn't realised that he had given his daughter exactly the same name as his first wife, a bit unusal to give her all three names.

Jerry was probably the Gerald who died June 1935 (West Ham 4a 64)..

Catherine Alice Mary Anderson nee Turner was the daughter of Oswald and Emily Beck not the first wife of Oswald.

Catherine Alice Mary Turner daughter 4/6/1931 died Aug 1991.She married John M Anderson 1949.

Maryb.

Horace and Eleanor in 1939

157 Gorseway , Dagenham M.B., Essex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
William H Turner 25 Jul 1909 Male Motor Lorry Driver Married 196 1
Eleanor Q Turner 19 Apr 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 196 2
Roy W Turner 30 Jan 1933 Male At School Single 196 3

plus one other person whose record is closed.

..........so using his middles name instead of Horace.


birt for Roy:-
Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
Turner Roy W Stanford W.Ham 4a 124


Other births in W.Ham Turner/Stanford before 1939

Births Sep 1934 (>99%)
Turner William F Stanford W.Ham 4a 97
This one died:-
Deaths Dec 1934
Turner William F 0 W.Ham 4a 257

Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Turner Jean Stanford W.Ham 4a 107
Turner Jerry Stanford W.Ham 4a 107
Looks like Jean may also have died:-
Deaths Jun 1935
Turner Jean 0 W.Ham 4a 63

Births Sep 1936 (>99%)
Turner Joan E Stanford W. Ham 4a 49

So, the other person on 1939 record is likely to be either Jerry, or Joan E. ?

eleanor married my grandadwilliam horice

thank you all so much for your help all i know is that ivy shepherd has left an estate to our family i have never heard of her all i know is my great granddad oswald born in 1883 mile end , married catherine alice richardson then married emily beck looks like catherine had another marriage john m anderson

Possible death of Oswald:-

Name: Oswald Turner
Death Date: 18 Oct 1961
Death Place: Essex, England
Probate Date: 16 Nov 1961
Registry: London, England

Probate is interesting as states:-

Oswald Turner of 4 Stopford Road Plaistow Essex .
Probate to Catherine Alice Mary Anderson married woman.
Effects £337 19s 7d

So probate looks to be to his first wife.


So Catherine remarried in 1949

Marriages Dec 1949 (>99%)
Anderson John M Turner W.Ham 5a 1346 Scan
Turner Catherine A M Anderson W.Ham 5a 1346

...............so did they divorce, or were they both bigamist????

Oswald with first wife in 1911

Oswald Turner Head Married Male Dock Labourer 27 1884 Midsx Bow Transcription
Kathrine Turner Wife Married Female - 26 1885 Edmondton Midsx Transcription
William Turner Son - Male - 4 1907 West Ham Essex Transcription
Horace Turner Son - Male - 1 1910 Plaistow Essex Transcription
Elizabeth Turner Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Plaistow Essex

Married 5yrs
3 children all alive.

Although the couple are noted as being married for 5yrs, this looks as though this may be their marriage:-

Name: Oswald Turner
Spouse Surname: Richardson
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: West Ham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 565
Records on Page:
Name
Edith F Gubbins
William H Hales

Catherine A M Richardson
Oswald Turner

Oswald and Emily in 1939


3 Brownlow Road , West Ham C.B., Essex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Oswald Turner 14 Aug 1883 Male Dock Labourer Married 69 1
Emily Turner 01 Jun 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 69 2

plus two people whose records are closed.


Name: Oswald Turner
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Emily H Beck
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 480

no i only received this message 2 days ago i knew my great grandad had 2 wives didn't no nothing about ivy xx

It looks to me as though Ivy was your great grandad Oswalds daughter

Do you know what age Ivy was when she died


Maryb

hi everyone thanks for helping me i rec a letter from estate research stating that an ivyy grace shepherd had left money they said this was my grandads daughter grandad was horice william turner born 1909 west ham died 1974 new ham married elenor queen stanford born 19 /04 died 03/01/ father oswald turner born 1883 had 2 wives catherine and emily becks trying to find is ivy my grandads daughter or my grandfathers

I think Ivy G is this one and seems to be Susan's Aunt.

Ivy G Turner 1934 to Oswald 1883 and Emily H Beck. Ivy G married 1954 Charles Shepherd.

Susan daughter of Roy William Turner 1933-1982 son of Horace and Eleanor.

Please confirm if this is correct Susan.

Maryb