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21 Aug 2016 14:08 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Village, Rottery, Rattery, Totnes, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Anstis Head Married Male 49 1852 Gardener Domestic Ugborough, Devon, England Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Harberton, Devon, England William Anstis Son Single Male 18 1883 Officer Servant Royal Navy Rattery, Devon, England Ellen Car Anstis Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Rattery, Devon, England Dorothy Anstis Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Rattery, Devon, England Richard Anstis Son Single Male 5 1896 - Rattery, Devon, England Thomas Hannaford Father-In-Law Widower Male 81 1820 Ordinary Agricultural Labourer Harberton, Devon, England
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Garden Cottage, Mill Cross, Rattery, Totnes, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Anstis Head Married Male 39 1852 Gardeners Labourer Ugborough, Devon, England Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Harberton, Devon, England Annie Anstis Daughter - Female (age could be 12) Ugborough, Devon, England Florence Anstis Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Modbury, Devon, England Charlie Anstis Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Modbury, Devon, England William Anstis Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Rattery, Devon, England Frank Anstis Son - Male 4 1887 - Rattery, Devon, England Helen Anstis Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Rattery, Devon, England
Charles Foster Lodger Single Male 26 1865 Stationary Engine Driver Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Joseph Price Lodger Widower Male 63 1828 Carpenter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England William Vivian Lodger Single Male 26 1865 Blacksmith Bodmin, Cornwall, England
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21 Aug 2016 14:10 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Leterburn Street, Ugborough, Totnes, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Anstis Head Married Male 29 1852 Iron Miner Ugborough, Devon, England Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Harberton, Devon, England Thomas Edwards Anstis Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Harberton, Devon, England Annie Elizabeth Anstis Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Ugborough, Devon, England Lucy Jane Anstis Daughter Single Female 6mths 1881 - Ugborough, Devon, England
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21 Aug 2016 14:22 |
Working back from 1911 census for Lucy (Hannaford) Anstis
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Station Road South Brent S Devon, South Brent, Devon, England
George Anstis Head Married Male Domestic Gardener 59 1852 Ugborough Devon Lucy Anstis Wife Married Female Monthly Nurse 59 1852 Harberton Devon Dorothy Anstis Daughter Single Female - 17 1894 Rattery Devon Richard Anstis Son Single Male Aprentice Butcher 15 1896 Rattery Devon
Married 34 years. 14 children born to this marriage, 9 still living
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21 Aug 2016 14:34 |
Parent's marriage? From FMP
Thomas Last name Hannaford Age Of Full Age Birth year - Marriage year 1845 Marriage date 15 Apr 1845 Place Harberton Residence Harberton Father's first name Richard Father's last name Hannaford (occ Labourer) Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Blatchford Spouse age Of Full Age Spouse's residence Harberton Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Blatchford (occ publican) County Devon Denomination Anglican Country England Archive South West Heritage Trust Archive reference 333A/PR/1/10
Thomas' baptism Thomas Last name Hanaford Birth year 1820 Birth date 02 Jan 1820 Baptism year 1820 Denomination Anglican Baptism place Harberton Father's first name(s) Richard Father's occupation Labourer Mother's first name(s) Grace Residence Little Englebourne County Devon Archive South West Heritage Trust Record set Devon Baptisms
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21 Aug 2016 14:40 |
PM sent to Natasha to let her know how to return and how to reply on this thread.
Prickles. :-)
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21 Aug 2016 14:41 |
Possibly John Blatchford, the father of Elizabeth Blatchford
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Cider House, Harberton, Totnes, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place John Blatchford Male 51 1790 Devon, England (Publican) Johanna Blatchford Female 48 1793 Devon, England Fanny Blatchford Female 23 1818 Devon, England Susanna Blatchford Female 15 1826 Devon, England Jane Blatchford Female 10 1831 Devon, England Mary Blatchford Female 8 1833 Devon, England Zipporah Blatchford Female 5 1836 Devon, England Henry Blatchford Male 4 1837 Devon, England
The 1841 doesn't give relationships or full places of birth. Ages are rounded - the age of persons over 15 was supposed to be rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5.
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21 Aug 2016 14:46 |
Marriage to Johanna
John Last name Blatchford Marriage year 1817 Marriage date 26 Jun 1817 Parish Harberton Place Harberton Spouse's first name(s) Joanna Spouse's last name Colton Denomination Anglican County Devon Archive South West Heritage Trust Record set Devon Marriages
Both of this parish. Fathers weren't named or occupations given until Sep 1837. Witnesses Wm Parnell & Wm? Hosking
John's burial? John Last name Blatchford Age 85 Birth year 1790 Death year 1875 Burial year 1875 Burial date 10 Mar 1875 Denomination Anglican Burial place Harberton (abode Blue Post) County Devon Country England Archive South West Heritage Trust Archive reference 333A/PR/1/14 Record set Devon Burials
Both from Findmypast
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21 Aug 2016 14:50 |
Thanks for all the replies. All a bit confusing as I believe there is another Carter family that is not related to us. Henry Gas Carter the widower and the children Emily, Violet Carter etc are not relatives of ours.
My Henry Charles Carter married Mary Scorer/Fisher/Carter and had Graham, Malcolm and Ann. Then Graham married Esther Ryan who are my grandparents.
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21 Aug 2016 14:52 |
OK - what a shame!
Who does your relative name as his father on his MC? If you don't already have it, you need to order a copy from the gro http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
EDIT Forget that. the marriage was posted early
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21 Aug 2016 14:53 |
I'm confused because in our records we think Henry Thomas Carter's father was William Carter and he was married to Ann Carter.
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21 Aug 2016 15:00 |
Bringing forward the marriage posted earlier by PricklyHolly. Is this not correct?
Henry Thomas Carter in the England, Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910 Name: Henry Thomas Carter Gender:Male Birth Date: 1908 Marital Status: Single Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1930 Marriage Place: Longfleet, Longfleet, Dorset, England Marriage Age: 22 Father: Henry James Carter Spouse: Mary Florence Scorer
You did say that he married a Mary Fisher/Scorer
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21 Aug 2016 15:08 |
The marriage does match the 1939 Register
Carter Household (2 People) 24 Coles Avenue,Hamworthy , Poole M.B., Dorset, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Mary F Fisher (Carter) 28 Aug 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 108 Henry T Carter 19 Apr 1908 Male Lorry Driver Married 108
+ 3 closed records Mary is shown with the surname as Fisher as that's the name her death was registered in. Carter was the surname she was known by in 1939
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21 Aug 2016 15:11 |
Dorset Marriages Transcription
Learn more Print transcription First name(s) Henry Thomas Last name Carter Sex Male Marital status Single Age 22 Birth year 1908 Marriage year 1930 Marriage date 27 Sep 1930 Marriage place Longfleet Father's first name(s) Henry James Father's last name Carter Spouse's first name(s) Mary Florence Spouse's last name Scorer Spouse's sex Female Spouse's marital status Single Spouse's age 19 Spouse's birth year 1911 Spouse's father's first name(s) Herbert George Spouse's father's last name Scorer County Dorset Country England Record set Dorset Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl Print transcription Attach to tree
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21 Aug 2016 15:32 |
Natasha - what is your source for Henry Thomas Carter's parents being William and Ann?
If you go back to the basics, this is the only UK birth for Henry Thomas Carter in the correct time frame
Births Jun 1908 (>99%) Carter Henry Thomas Frome 5c 392
To be absolutely sure of the facts, you should order a copy of his BC from GRO
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21 Aug 2016 15:44 |
I've just spoken to my great Aunt Ann Carter... She says that her father Henry Thomas Carter had Florence, Winifred, Lucy, Gladys and a brother. There was no Violet or Emily. Sooooo confused.
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21 Aug 2016 16:08 |
We have no evidence Henry Thomas's father is William, so unsure why that was there but my great aunt Ann says Henry Thomas mother is Ann because that is who she was named after.
We know 100% that Henry Thomas Carter was born in Faulkland, Somerset in 1908 as I've got his paperwork. Just struggling to get further back.
We strongly believe now that Henry Thomas father is Henry James and Henry James is the son of Fred Carter and Elizabeth Ann.
Henry Thomas has four sisters named Winifred, Gladys, Lucy and Florence. They all have another brother too but he lives in Wales and we don't know his name.
There is a post further up saying Fredrick lived with his granddaughter Winifred so that's good.
But there are posts saying about a Violet and Emily Carter but no one in my family knows anything about them.
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21 Aug 2016 16:11 |
I also know that Henry Thomas and Florence were put into an orphanage when they were younger but their grandmother took them out and looked after them.
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21 Aug 2016 16:12 |
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6746727
(looks to relate to Henry James)
Chris :)
Reference: ADM 188/444/278941 Description: Name Carter, Henry James Official Number: 278941 Place of Birth: Faulkland Bath Date of Birth: 29 December 1875
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21 Aug 2016 17:07 |
I think the confusion is...........
The 1911 census record posted for Henry Gas Carter....has been mis-transcribed on FMP.
The version I posted was from Ancestry and he is actually.....Henry JAMES Carter.
If you look at the image..........it reads........Henry Jas Carter.
Edit...........just checked it out on FMP.......and it definitely is a transcription error!
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21 Aug 2016 17:24 |
Corrrr it's been a long hour! I have spoken to my great aunt Ann and read through everything you've all written which has been so confused but I'm finally understanding now. I'm just lost as to who Violet Carter is, that's all.
So you have me, Tasha. My dad Sean. Sean's dad is Graham. Now Grahans dad is Henry Thomas who married Mary Scorer (She then remarried after to a Bert Fisher)
Henry Thomas's parents is Henry James and Amelia Hannaford. Together they had Henry Thomas, Winifred, Gladys, Lucy, Florence and an unknown brother - the source being my great aunt.
From you guys, I've learnt Henry James was the son of Frederick and Elizabeth Ann or just Ann and together they had Frank, Emily, Henry James, John, Mary, Chas.
Frederick's parents was Henry (born 1816) and Mary. Together they had Charlies, John, Sarah, Emily, Frederick, Lydia, James, Sarah, George, Kaziah, Mary and Hannah.
That all makes sense doesn't it? Otherwise my brain will explode lol!
Thanks for all the help! Keep it coming if anyone has any more!
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