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My grandad always said he had aunties that moved abroad but unfortunately had no info

today i have found passenger list for his 2 aunties Gertrude Fenwick (1892) Susannah Pratt (Fenwick) and her son George.

Susannah and George came back to England from Canada in 1915

I have found a record for Gertrude marrying a Fred Caff in 1912 in Vancouver. His parents were William Caff and Anne Richards

I'm trying to see if Gertrude and Fred stayed abroad or came home but i can find no other records for the surname Caff? no births (he was born in Somerset c.1881) marriages or deaths for that surname

can anyone help me please?!

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Fred Caff

mentioned in the record of Fred Caff and Gertrude Fenwick

Name Fred Caff
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 03 Aug 1912
Event Place Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Gender Male
Age 29
Marital Status Bachelor
Birth Year (Estimated) 1883
Birthplace Somerset, England
Father's Name William Caff
Mother's Name Anne Richards
Spouse's Name Gertrude Fenwick
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 20
Spouse's Marital Status Spinster
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Spouse's Birthplace Durham, England
Spouse's Father's Name Joseph Fenwick
Spouse's Mother's Name Elizabeth Nesbitt
Certificate Type License
Registration Number 12 09 069961

that's them!

but i'm struggling to find any info on 'Caff' i'm not sure if thats the correct name

thanks

I can't see any births / deaths / marriages, either.

But here's Fred going to Canada in the first place - farmer, born Somerset, heading for Winnipeg:

Fred Caff
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Fred Caff
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1878
Date of Arrival: 25 Jun 1904
Vessel: Lake Manitoba
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England


Maybe his birth??

Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
CUFF Fred Taunton 5c 329

Think the surname is CUFF

1921 Census of Canada

Name:Gertrude Cuff

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Married

Age:27

Birth Year:abt 1894

Birth Place:England

Relation to Head of House:Wife

Spouse's Name:Frederick Cuff

Father Birth Place:England

Mother Birth Place:England

Year of Immigration:1911

Racial or Tribal Origin:English

Province or Territory:British Columbia

District:Vancouver Centre

District Number:22

Sub-district:Ward 1

Sub-District Number:1

City, Town or Village:Vancouver

Street or Township:570 Hodgson St

Municipality:Ward 1


Frederick Cuff 40
Gertrude Cuff 27
Gladys Cuff 7
Dorothy Cuff 6
George W Cuff 2
Martha E Roose 60
Suman Pratt 30
Helen Mc Dance 30

Fred Cuff
in the 1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
Name: Fred Cuff
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 28
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1904
Province: Saskatchewan
District: Humboldt
Sub-District Description: Townships 25 to 30 inclusive in ranges 17, 18, 19 west of the 2nd M, excepting Poor Man's Indian Reserve and those portions of Day Star's and Gordon's Indian Reserves in range 17
Sub-district: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Cuff 28

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960?

Immigration & Travel


Name: Gertrude Cuff
Birth: abt 1892
Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival: 11 Jul 1924 - Liverpool, England
Other: Quebec

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960?

Immigration & Travel

Name: Gertrude Cuff
Birth: abt 1892
Departure: 10 Oct 1924 - Liverpool, England
Destination: Quebec, Canada

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924?

Immigration & Travel

Name: Mrs Gertrude Cuff
Birth: abt 1892 - Durham, England
Departure: 1924 - Oaner
Arrival: 17 Oct 1924 - Quebec

Fred Cuff
in the British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990

Name: Fred Cuff
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1879
Death Age: 81
Death Date: 18 Nov 1960
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration Number: 1960-09-013724
BCA Number: B13249
GSU Number: 2033347

aw wow! lovely thank you

i've been staring at the screen for so long i think my eyes stopped working!

going to have a further look now thank you

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990?

Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries

Name: Gertrude Cuff
Birth: abt 1892
Death: 2 May 1971 - Burnaby

thank you so much for your help

much appreciated

Fred Cuff

mentioned in the record of Gertrude Cuff

Name Fred Cuff


gender Unknown







Wife Gertrude Cuff



Name Gertrude Cuff
Event Type Death
Event Date 02 May 1971
Event Place Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada
Gender Female
Age 79
Marital Status Widowed
Birth Date 08 Feb 1892
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Birthplace Hunwick, England
Father's Name Joseph Fenick
Mother's Name Margaret Naisbet
Spouse's Name Fred Cuff

On the 'Outgoing' (Find My Past) with Gertrude Cuff is...Gladys (9) Dorothy (7) George (4). Last UK address as, c/o Fenwick, Helmington Sq. Huniwick Lane Ends, Nr. Willington, Durham)

(Ship Name, Montcalm)

Chris :)


Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Fenwick Gertrude Auckland 10a 226

(covers, Hunwick & Helmington)


1901 (Find My Past)
Joseph Fenwick Head Married Male 41 1860 Coal Miner Hewer Durham, England
E A (could be J on image) Fenwick Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Durham, England
Transcription
George W Fenwick Son Single Male 19 1882 Coal Miner Hand Putter Hunwick, Durham, England
M J Fenwick Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Dressmaker (Apprentice) Hunwick, Durham, England
Joseph Fenwick Son - Male 15 1886 Coal Miner Pony Driver Hunwick, Durham,
Sarah E Fenwick Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Hunwick, Durham, England
S H Fenwick Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Hunwick, Durham, England
Gertrude Fenwick Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Hunwick, Durham, England
Margaret Fenwick Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Hunwick, Durham, England
Parish Hunwick and Helmington
County Durham
Registration district Auckland
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4651
Folio 86
Page 24


1911 (Find My Past)
Joseph Fenwick Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 51 1860 Burnhope Durham
Elizabeth Ann Fenwick Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Escombe Durham
Margret Fenwick Daughter Single Female - 16 1895 Hunwick Durham
Elizabeth Ann Fenwick Daughter Single Female - 6 1905 Hunwick Durham
Anthony Kintley Boarder Single Male Labourer 50 1861 Hunwick Durham
Address Hunwick Lane Ends Willington
Parish Hunwick and Helmington
County Durham
Census reference RG14 PN29740 RG78 PN1721 RD547 SD1 ED38 SN154
(says Married 31yrs, 10 children born, 7 living, 3 died)


Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
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FENWICK Joseph Auckland 10a 270
NAISBITT Elizabeth Jane Auckland 10a 270

No idea of anything, in case of any confusion!, but below went 'Out' with his family 1911...(he is on below, from 'google' search)

Chris :)

http://www.ponderroses.com/SteveJohnsonFamily/ps43/ps43_281.htm

(NameFrederick Ralph Cuff

Birth24 Jun 1875, Andover, Hampshire, England

Death23 Mar 1955, Kinley, Saskatchewan, Canada)

(has a Daughter Gertrude (13)


(Ship Name. Royal George)


Births Sep 1875 (>99%)
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Cuff Frederick Andover 2c 196


Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
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CUFF Frederick Camberwell 1d 1645
Hayward Lucy Henrietta W Camberwell 1d 1645

1901 (Find My Past)
Frederick Cuff Head Married Male 25 1876 Dairy Farmer Andover, Hampshire, England
Lucy Cuff Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Thornford, Dorset, England
Olive Cuff Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Vauxhall, Surrey, England
Gertrude Cuff Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Vauxhall, Surrey, England
Badin Cuff Son - Male 0 1901 - Warminster, Wiltshire, England
Street Elm Hill
Town Warminster
Parish Warminster
Country England
County Wiltshire
Registration district Warminster
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1942
Folio 42
Page 11

(possibly your one below, and other Baptisms of children 1881, on link posted)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Otterford
Church name St Leonard
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number
Baptism date 9 Mar 1879
Birth date
Person forename Frederic
Person sex M
Person abode
Father forename William
Father surname CUFFE
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Anne

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


(from 'google' search)

OTTERFORD, a parish in the hundred of Taunton, county Somerset, 7 miles S. of Taunton.


1881 (Find My Past)
William Cuff Head Married Male 35 1846 Ag Lab Upottery, Devon, England
Ann Cuff Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Otterford, Somerset, England
Thomas Cuff Son Single Male 14 1867 Scholar Otterford, Somerset, England
Lucy Cuff Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Otterford, Somerset, England
William Cuff Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Otterford, Somerset, England
Albert Cuff Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Otterford, Somerset, England
George Cuff Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Otterford, Somerset, England
John Cuff Son Single Male 4 1877 - Otterford, Somerset, England
Fred Cuff Son Single Male 2 1879 - Otterford, Somerset, England
Frank Cuff Son Single Male 0 1881 - Otterford, Somerset, England
House name Brown Down Cottage
Parish Otterford
County Somerset
Registration district Taunton
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2364
Folio 39
Page 16


County Somerset
Place Otterford
Church name St Leonard
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 396
Marriage date 27 Nov 1866
Groom forename William
Groom surname CUFF
Groom age 21
Groom occupation lab
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname BARTER
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Groom father forename George
Bride father forename James


Baptism
County Devon
Place Upottery
Church name St Mary
Register type Extract of a Register
Baptism date 10 Jul 1845
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename George
Father surname CUFF
Father occupation farmer
Mother forename Charlotte



Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%)
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Cuff William Axbridge 10 519
RICHARDS Ann Axbridge 10 519


(you give reference to above?, think confusion is reigning for me this morning, lol)


Edits (below is 'Outgoing', Find My Past, for one AG posted earlier, (no y on end on image)

CUFF FREDY 1878 — 1904 Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Quebec, Canada. (occ. Farmer. Ship Name. Lake Manitoba)


(below link has 1912 Marriage image, not sure about 'Richards' then!)

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy

(British Columbia Archives Genealogy Search indexes for births 1854-1903, marriages 1872-1938, deaths 1872-1993, colonial marriages 1859-1872, and baptisms 1836-1888; includes digitized images of the records)

Fred Cuff arrives in Canada in 1904

Given Name(s):Fred
Surname:Cuff
Age:26
Ship:LAKE MANITOBA
Port of Arrival:Quebec City
Date of Arrival:1904-06-00
Year of Arrival:1904
Microfilm Reel Number:T-483
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:2289541
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e147/e003655731.jpg

He says he's a farmer, and he's heading for Winnipeg MB.
The attraction of the prairies for farmers at that time was free land.
One could homestead land under the Dominion Land Act.
Basically, one paid a $10 filing fee, and got a claim on a quarter section (160 acres), and had 3 yrs to prove the claim.
One had to live on the land for 6m of every year, erect a domicile, and get 40 acres under crop (or provide for and raise an equivalent amount of stock).
Upon proving the claim, one got letters patent (i.e., title) on the claim.
Building a domicile in S Saskatchewan was awkward, due to the lack of trees, so often people built soddies (i.e., houses made of sod or turf), and later improved them as money for timber became available.

Now nearly all of the three prairie province (MB, SK, AB) were surveyed using a common system. I'll give an outline, but for more details on this, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Land_Survey


1906 Census Page Data
District: SK Humboldt District (#13)
Subdistrict: 02 (Townships 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 inclusive in ranges 17, 18, 19 west of the 2nd M, excepting Poor Man's Indian Reserve and those portions of Day Star's and Gordon's Indian Reserves in range 17) Page 15
3 183 Cuff Fred Head M S 28
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/e/e049/e001208458.pdf
[addy = S20 T28 R19 W2M]

The addy is based on a grid system:
The Township is a northing count, starting at the US border, and counted in 6 mile blocks.
The Range is a westing count (easting in east MB), starting at the previous meridian, and counted in 6 mile blocks.
The 2nd meridian is longitude 102 deg, the 3rd meridian is longitude 106 deg, etc. One might have expected the 1st or prime meridian to be at 98 deg, but the meridian is actually offset by abt half a deg to the E, to align with the old provincial boundary of Manitoba (when it was the size of a postage stamp).
So that all locates a 6 mile x 6 mile block of 36 sections (a section is a 1 mile x 1 mile block). These 36 sections are always numbered in the same way.



http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/index-e.html

Office Name:Regina
Established Closing
1882-11-01 -
Additional Information:
Letter Carrier Delivery Service - 1909-06-01
Sec.19, Twp.17, R.19, W2 - 1882-11-01
Semi-staff - 1905-10-01
Staff Office - 1909-10-01

Office Name:Raymore
Established Closing
1909-03-01 -
Additional Information:
S0A 3J0
Sec.19, Twp.28, R.18, W2 - 1909-03-01
Semi-staff
Store

Office Name:Chamberlain
Established Closing
1904-10-01 -
Additional Information:
Private Building
Sec.8, Twp.22, R.26, W2 - 1904-10-01

From the locations of post offices, we can see Fred's land was 66 miles N of Regina, and 5 miles due W of the village of Raymore.


http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-grants-western-canada-1870-1930/Pages/land-grants-western-canada.aspx
Name: Fred Cuff
Part:SW
Section:20
Township:28
Range:19
Meridian:W2
Folio:183
Liber:347
Microfilm Reel Number:C-6212
Item Number:560391

LIBER DATES REEL NUMBER
347 Feb. 03, 1909 - Feb. 10, 1909 C-6211-C-6212

So, it would seem Fred got his letters patent in Feb 1909. Also, his quarter section was the SW quadrant of section 20.
I would presume he sold his farm and moved out West, possibly not in that order.

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / British Columbia / New Westminster / 42 Dewdney Riding / page 10
24 79 ?? Jack M Head S Jul 1889 21
25 79 ?? Henry M Boarder S Nov 1891 21
26 79 Thompson John M Boarder S May ? 22
27 79 L ? Joseph M Boarder S Apr ? ?
28 79 Tofer Paul M Boarder S Jul 1891 19
29 79 Nike Daniel M Boarder S Sep 1888 22
30 79 Willell Paul M Boarder S Jan 1885 25
31 79 Tanata Thomas M Boarder S Jul 1889 21
32 79 Bengs ? M Boarder S Aug 1885 25
33 79 Arlan Henry M Boarder S Jun 1864 46
34 79 Thomas Charley M Boarder S Apr 1865 45
35 79 Termon Anthony M Boarder S Sep 1875 35
36 79 Cyoto Bila M Boarder S Apr 1876 35
37 79 Tute William M Boarder S Feb 1884 25
38 79 Hanoy Foon M Boarder S Oct 1876 39
>>>39 79 Cuff Frederick M Boarder S Dec 1877 33
40 79 Amelin William M Boarder S Sep 1892 18
41 79 Bedan Mike M Boarder S Sep 1887 23
42 79 Nelson Thomas M Boarder S Sep 1880 30
43 79 Banks Leonard M Boarder S Jun 1892 18
44 79 Vanabrit Willott M Boarder S Sep 1878 32
45 79 Abernathy William M Boarder S Dec 1880 30
46 79 Clactie Daniel M Boarder S Jun 1887 23
47 79 Anderson James M Boarder S Dec 1891 19
48 80 Phillips Erik M Boarder S Sep 1894 17
49 80 Drannas David M Boarder S Jun 1888 20
50 80 Skedue Maurice M Boarder S Apr 1877 34
[Multiple corrections posted but none for our Fred]
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001939919.pdf

Decoding 1911's col 18
Industry Category
11 Transportation
Class of Worker
9 Labourers, unskilled, messengers, teamsters
Industry Category Code Occupation
11 75 Grading contractor and channel worker


Golden Ears is a popular Provincial Park just 50km E of Vancouver. It lies between Pitt Lake and Stave Lake.
Stave River used to be on the outlet of Stave Lake abt 2km before it gets to the Fraser R 3km E of Whonnock.

(did you want anything else on Sister?)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
John Pratt Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer At Face 24 1887 Witton Park Co Durham
Susannah Pratt Wife Married Female - 20 1891 Hunwick Lane Co Durham
George William Pratt Son - Male - 0 1911 Hunwick Lane Co Durham
Address Valley Terrace Howden Le Wear
Parish Witton Le Wear
County Durham
Census reference RG14 PN29772 RG78 PN1722 RD547 SD2 ED22 SN224


Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
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FENWICK Susannah Auckland 10a 366
PRATT John Auckland 10a 366


Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
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PRATT George William Auckland 10a 259