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Hi, I'm new to the site. I hope this is the right board for my query. I am searching for my Great Grandfather Qwen. He was from Bangor, Caernarvonshire Wales UK. I have found him on Census, Marriage and Birth. On the 1861 Census he is a 7yr old lodger, so no names of parents. On the Birth Record, it only gives Name, Date and Place of birth. Is there any way of finding a Birth Certificate with the parents names etc? I would be very grateful for any advice.

Welcome to the boards, Robert. Yes, this is the right place.

When you say Birth Record, what exactly do you mean?

Is this the record you have found?


Births Dec 1854 (>99%)
Parry Owen Bangor 11b 441

Do you have his marriage cert, for his father's name?

Not finding him on the 1861. Can you give more details of that census, please.

OK, found it:

Name:Owen Parry
Age:7
Estimated birth year:abt 1854
Relation:Lodger
Gender:Male
Where born:Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township:Aberdaron
Ecclesiastical parish:Bangor
County/Island:Caernarvonshire
Country:Wales

Thomas Williams 70
Evan Williams 35
Margaret Williams 38
Sarah Jones 21
Laura Owens 74
Elinor Parry 38 - Lodger, possibly Owen's mother
Owen Parry 7

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Caernarvonshire Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) OWEN
Last name PARRY
Birth year -
Baptism year 1855
Baptism day 25
Baptism month Aug
Baptism place BANGOR
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's first name(s) Owen
County Caernarvonshire
Country Wales
Record set Caernarvonshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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is this the census you refer to

Owen Parry

in the 1861 Wales Census
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Name: Owen Parry
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Aberdaron
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Aberdaron
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Household schedule number: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4332
Folio: 20
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Williams 70
Evan Williams 35
Margaret Williams 38
Sarah Jones 21
Laura Owens 74
Elinor Parry 38
Owen Parry 7

there are these as well

Owen Parry

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Name: Owen Parry
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's name: Owen Parry
Mother's name: Ann Parry
Gender: Male
Where born: Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bangor
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Bangor
Sub-registration district: Bangor
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 190
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4350
Folio: 54
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Parry 46
Ann Parry 44
William Parry 13
Ann Parry 11
Owen Parry 6
Richard Parry 4
Jane Williams 19
William Williams 21
Robert Williams 21
Thomas Jones 55
Mary S Hughes 23
Griffith Thomas 25
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Owen Parry

in the 1861 Wales Census
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Name: Owen Parry
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's name: Owen Parry
Mother's name: Margaret Parry
Gender: Male
Where born: Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bangor
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
Town: Upper Bangor
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Bangor
Sub-registration district: Bangor
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 130
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4351
Folio: 80
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Parry 45
Margaret Parry 30
Edward Parry 10
Owen Parry 6
Margaret Parry 4/12

OWEN
Last name PARRY
Birth year 1854
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BANGOR
County Caernarvonshire
Country Wales
Volume 11B
Page 441
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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you will need to prchase a birth cert i think

but are you sure of the year of birth as there are others 1855/56
maddie

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Thne Salmons Farm, Glanrafon, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Owen Parry Head Married Male 46 1815 Brewer And Publican Caernarvonshire, Wales
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Ann Parry Wife Married Female 44 1817 - Amlwch, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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William Parry Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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Ann Parry Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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Owen Parry Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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Richard Parry Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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Jane Williams Servant Unmarried Female 19 1842 House Servant Anglesey, Wales
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William Williams Servant Unmarried Male 21 1840 Servant Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
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Robert Williams Boarder Unmarried Male 21 1840 Joiner Llanfairfechan, Caernarvonshire, Wales
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Thomas Jones Visitor Unmarried Male 55 1806 Accountant Corwen, Merionethshire, Wales
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Mary S Hughes Visitor Unmarried Female 23 1838 House Servant Stockport, Cheshire, England
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Griffith Thomas Visitor Unmarried Male 25 1836 Coachman Maentwrog, Merionethshire, Wales
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Hi Potty, It's England & Wales births 1837-2006, under the heading 'Record Transcription, 11B-441 is correct. The Marriage - England & Wales 1837-2008, 11B, 608 does not contain any father's name. The Census 1861 shows Head as Thomas Williams B. 1791. Parish Aberdaron. Also Sarah Jones B. 1840. Hope this helps.

Is this Owen's marriage reg:


Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)

JONES Catherine Bangor 11b 658
JONES Margaret Bangor 11b 658
Parry Henry Griffith Bangor 11b 658 Parry Owen Bangor 11b 658

Henry appears to have married Catherine:


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1881 census:

Name: Henry G . Parry
Spouse: Catherine Parry
Birth: abt 1842 - Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Residence: 1881 - Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales

So, is this Owen & Margaret:


Name:Owen Parry
Age:27
Estimated birth year:abt 1854
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Margaret Parry
Gender:Male
Where born:Bangor
Civil Parish:Bangor
County/Island:Caernarvonshire
Country:Wales
Street address:16 St Pauls Terr
Occupation:House Painter
Owen Parry 27
Margaret Parry 24
John O. Parry 4
Margaret J. Parry 3
Ann Parry

WOW. Slightly overwhelmed by the fast and comprehensive replies. Many thanks to All. I will try and digest the info. Yes i did suspect Elinor as poss mother. In 1871 he shows as 17yr old servant on Anglesey. Then 1881 a 27yr old Husband in St Pauls Terrace, Bangor. In 1891 it shows (in St Pauls Terrace, Bangor) his wife Margaret. more kids, including my Grandfather John Owen. There's no sign of him, only on a Death Record of 1891. So i'm pretty sure of his year of birth.

WOW. Slightly overwhelmed by the fast and comprehensive replies. Many thanks to All. I will try and digest the info. Yes i did suspect Elinor as poss mother. In 1871 he shows as 17yr old servant on Anglesey. Then 1881 a 27yr old Husband in St Pauls Terrace, Bangor. In 1891 it shows (in St Pauls Terrace, Bangor) his wife Margaret. more kids, including my Grandfather John Owen. There's no sign of him, only on a Death Record of 1891. So i'm pretty sure of his year of birth.

Yes Potty it is Owen & Margaret.

Maddie, where would i go to purchase Birth Cert?

here is the website
don't buy from anywhere else they are more expensive

Order certificates online - Registration Services - Certificate Ordering ...
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
General Register Office - order a birth, marriage or death certificate from only £ 9.25 direct from the Government's official website.

Many Thanks for that Maddie, i'll give it a go. Being shouted at for not mowing the lawn so i must leave the site. Thanks to All.

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Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
Jones Owen Bangor 11b 644
Mence Sarah Ann Bangor 11b 644
Parry Owen Bangor 11b 644
Parry Sarah Ann Bangor 11b 644
Rowlands Margaret Bangor 11b 644

Robert, if you don't already have it, getting the marriage cert will give his father's name to confirm any birth, although if he is Elinor's son, she is shown as single in 1961 so very unlikely any father's name will be given.

This birth cert will give you mums name so you can tie up the right marriage

Births Jun 1877
PARRY John Owen Bangor 11b 574

Margaret is down as head of house and married not a widow on the 1891 census

Scotland Census Transcription
St Pauls Terrace, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Parry Head Married Female 34 1857 Dressmaker Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales Transcription
John Owen Parry Son Single Male 14 1877 Painters Apprentice Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Margaret Jane Parry Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Annie Parry Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
William Thomas Parry Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Richard Parry Son Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Edward Parry Son Single Male 3 1888 Scholar Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

So living Caernarfonshire and last child born there too

I think you need to slow down- are you sure about that death record? In 1881 you say he's listed at St. Paul's Terrace- In 1891 his wife still resides there- she's listed as married (not widowed). I think the burial below is for the death record that you mention- the address is wrong- so not your Owen.

Burial:
name(s) OWEN PARRY
Age 37
Birth year 1854
Death year 1891
Burial year 1891
Burial day 21
Burial month Jan
Parish Llanbeblig
Place LLANBEBLIG
Country Wales
County Caernarvonshire
Residence: Crown Street <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Edit: Snap Shirley! I think we're on the same page

So this is likely Owen in 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Oxton Road, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

John Parry Head Married Male 41 1850 Painter House Bangor, Caernarvonshire,
Jane Parry Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Caernarvonshire, Wales
Susannah Jope Servant Single Female 24 1867 General Servant Domestic Bangor, Caernarvonshire
Owen Parry Lodger Married Male 36 1855 Painter Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

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I see Margaret later moves to Cheshire too.

This death would tie with his age and last place of residence

Deaths Mar 1891
Parry Owen 37 Carnarvon 11b 346

Edit but maybe not if he is in Birkenhead on the. 1891 census