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Hiya all, i've been putting together a 5 generation family tree, 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents.

Finally just have two more people to find and its done.

I have this marriage license for my great grandparents-

Richard Henry Nelson who married Mary Frances Fleming in 1928 (3rd Nov).

Richard aged 33
Mary aged 34

The marriage license says they were married in Stockton-on-Tees in the County of Durham.

Richard's father is John Nelson
Mary's father is James Fleming

What it doesn't reveal is the mothers of Richard & Mary. I'd like to know who Richard & Mary's mothers were to complete my 5 generation family tree.


I figure these would be listed on the birth certificates of Richard & Mary but these are proving elusive to locate.

Can you help?

Richard H Nelson on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Nelson Household (4 People) 36 Wellington Street , Stockton R.D., Durham, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Richard H Nelson 13 Oct 1895 Male Boiler Maker Married 216 1
Mary F Nelson 17 Aug 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 216 2
Richard H Nelson 10 Jul 1920 Male General Labourer Single 216 3
Lawrence Nelson 07 Nov 1934 Male At School Single 216 7

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That's really helpful thank you with their dates of birth I should be able to locate their birth certificates and then their mother's names.

Thank you.

On the search facility on this site there are two results for Mary F Fleming but this one seems the most likely-

MARY FRANCES FLEMING
England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Cumberland
Year
1893
Birth Year
1893
Event Quarter
1
District
COCKERMOUTH
Transcription

Unfortunately when I clicked the purchase with credits it doesn't reveal who her mother was which probably means I will have to purchase her actual birth certificate from the GRO.

The same with Richard Henry Nelson although oddly he get's two search results but again no mother listed when you click the buy with credits facility-

RICHARD HENRY NELSON
England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Durham
Year
1895
Birth Year
1895
Event Quarter
1
District
STOCKTON
Transcription
RICHARD HENRY NELSON
England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Durham
Year
1895
Birth Year
1895
Event Quarter
4
District
STOCKTON
Transcription

At least now i'm pretty sure I have the right dates for birth certificates for my two great grandparents.

1901 census

England Wales & Census Transcription
Dixon's Yard, 2, Smithfield, Stockton on Tees, Stockton upon Tees, Stockton, Durham, England
John Nelson Head Married Male 36 1865 General Labourer Stockton, Durham, England
Emily Nelson Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Witton Park, Durham, England
George Nelson Son Single Male 10 1891 School Stockton, Durham, England
John Nelson Son Single Male 9 1892 School Stockton, Durham, England
Thomas Nelson Son Single Male 7 1894 School Stockton, Durham, England
Emily Nelson Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Stockton, Durham, England
Sarah Nelson Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Stockton, Durham, England
Richard Nelson Son Single Male 5 1896 School Stockton, Durham, England

Maybe one of the family were witnesses on the marrige cert ?

Nelson Richard Henry 1895 - 1915 British Army Service Records Stockton on Tees, Durham, England (Find My Past)

(on above, has below, if him. Trade, Holder up)

(Next of Kin, Mr & Mrs Nelson, 25 James Street, Stockton. Parents)


Holder up 1) Rivetter's Mate - whilst the red hot rivet head was formed by the rivetter, he would hold a heavy hammer or dolly against the other end of the rivet.
2) Assistant to a forger of chains or shackles by holding up the work.
3) Machinist's assistant, holding up work to the various machines.

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

(Old Occupations)

Chris :)

Edits (from Find My Past, so should be on Genes Records)


Medal card of Nelson, Richard H Corps: Yorkshire Regiment Regiment No: 24987

(above relates, should also be there, perhaps Ancestry)

That cockermouth birth can't be right for Mary as it the wrong qtr of the year for reg

The 1939 reg give a her birth as Aug so she could be reg in the sept qtr or even the Dec qtr

You have six weeks to reg the birth so end of sept would be about 5 weeks or it could be she was reg in early October so that would be the Dec qtr

Born Aug she should show as 1894 birth on the census

This looks a possibility
1901 census
England Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Union Street, Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland

James Fleming Head - Male 41 1860 Coal Miner (Hewer) Bishopbriggs, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Fleming Wife - Female 36 1865 - Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Transcription
David Fleming Son - Male 12 1889 Scholar Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Transcription
William Fleming Son - Male 11 1890 Scholar Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Fleming Daughter - Female 7 1894 Scholar Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Transcription
Susan Fleming Daughter - Female 4 1897 Scholar Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Transcription
James Fleming Son - Male 2 1899 - Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Transcription


But also this one if her age was given incorrectly
England Wales &Scotland Census Transcription
26, High Station Road, Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland

James Fleming Head Married Male 52 1849 Carter Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Fleming Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription
Lizzie Fleming Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Dom Serv Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription
Alex Fleming Son Single Male 17 1884 Saw Mill Machinist Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Fleming Daughter - Female 8 1893 Scholar Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Transcription
Peter Lennon Grandson - Male 1 1900 - Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland Transcription
William Buchan Boarder Married Male 25 1876 Stone Mason Cadder, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription
Census

Maybe her father's occ on the marriage cert would help

Ahh now her death gives her birth date a year out


First name(s) MARY FRANCES
Last name NELSON
Gender Female
Birth day 17
Birth month 8
Birth year 1894
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1969
District TEESSIDE NORTH
County Yorkshire
Volume 1B
Page 1434
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

(for 1901 posted above)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
John Nelson Head Married Male Labourer Shipyard 45 1866 Stockton Durham
Emily Nelson Wife Married Female Housekeeping 39 1872 Witton Park Durham
George William Nelson Son Single Male None Week Intellect 22 1889 Stockton Durham
Harry Nelson Son Single Male Rivet Heater 16 1895 Stockton Durham
Emily Nelson Daughter Single Female School 13 1898 Stockton Durham
Bernard Nelson Son Single Male School 9 1902 Stockton Durham
Alfred Nelson Son Single Male School 5 1906 Stockton Durham
Parish Stockton on Tees (Address as, 3 Smithfield)
County Durham
Census reference RG14 PN29578 RG78 PN1717A RD544 SD1 ED32 SN111
(says Married 23yrs, 8 children born, 8 living)


Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Boyle Mary Stockton 10a 116
Duffy Emily Stockton 10a 116
Nelson John Stockton 10a 116
O'BRIEN John Stockton 10a 116


Births Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Nelson Richard Henry Stockton 10a 71

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


(the Cornforth Richard Henry Nelson is on below)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php

Baptisms Easington 1894 Richard Henry Nelson West Cornforth

Baptism transcription on Ancestry:

Name: Richard Henry Nelson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1895 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Baptism Date: 17 Nov 1895
Baptism Place: St. Thomas', Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
Father: John Nelson
Mother: Emily
FHL Film Number: 1894162
Reference ID: v 27 p 196

Birth three days out from 1939 register- but I suspect this is correct person.

Emily! Makes sense as my grandmother was also called Emily.

I went ahead today and ordered my great grandfather Richard Henry Nelson's birth certificate today from the Stockton Registry and lol they asked me if I knew the mother's name! I explained that was the reason I was ordering the birth certificate in the first place :-)

The last one to track down is my great grandmother's birth certificate so that I can ascertain her maiden name too.

Thank you for all your help peeps :-)

First name(s) MARY FRANCES
Last name NELSON
Gender Female
Birth day 17
Birth month 8
Birth year 1894

Soooooooo.......this would be the Cockermouth Entry on genesreunited???

Oh hang on, is this the one i should be tracking down-

Ahh now her death gives her birth date a year out


First name(s) MARY FRANCES
Last name NELSON
Gender Female
Birth day 17
Birth month 8
Birth year 1894
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1969
District TEESSIDE NORTH
County Yorkshire

This is the only one of the Stockton Register-


Register of Births
Surname First Name Mothers Maiden Name Year
FLEMING MARY 1896

Yes according to the 1939 register your Mary F was born 17th August- this means (as Shirley said) that the Cockermouth birth can't be yours as is was registered in the first quarter of the year.

A tree on Ancestry has her birth as 17 Aug 1894 • County Cork, Southern Ireland
No idea if this is correct, but worth investigating

Do you have the marriage certificate for Mary Frances and Richard Nelson?

What was the address given for Mary and what was her father's occupation?

Hiya does this help? Its my grandparents marriage license.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/kornflakes77/Richard%20H%20Nelson%201928%20marriage%20license_zps9zn92abx.jpg