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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Selden Road, Camberwell, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter W Steeden Head Married Male 33 1858 Packing Case Maker Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth J Steeden Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Bermondsey, Middlesex, England
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Mary A R Steeden Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England
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Esther M Steeden Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England
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Arthur J Steeden Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England
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Frederick C Steeden Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England
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Nelly M Steeden Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Camberwell, Middlesex, England
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Florence E Steeden Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Camberwell, Middlesex, England

Dea x

Oh dear !!!

We have been looking for a death or other info for Arthur's 1st wife Constance (according to the marriage below and posted on previous page):

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)*OSBORNE Constance Annie Southwark 1d 306 Scan available - click to view
Porter Gertrude May Southwark 1d 306 Scan available - click to view
PRIOR George Frederick Southwark 1d 306 Scan available - click to view
STEEDEN Arthur Joseph Southwark 1d 306 Scan available - click to view


BUT it seems that Constance married the other male on the page according to this :



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10a Oxenford St E Dulwich SE, Camberwell, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
George Frederick Prior Head Married Male Sinotype Operator 28 1883 London Walworth
Constance Annie Prior Wife Married Female - 27 1884 London Camberwell

SO - 'our' Arthur must have married Gertrude May ??

That may account for her appearing on the 1911 with his as 'M' - she must have used her middle name?

Sorry to have put the cat amongst the pigeons............. ;-)

I will take a look further.

Dea x

Good find Dea!

Gertrude M Steeden
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Charles G Jaye
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 587


Wonder if Gertrude and Arthur divorced.

Marlborough Road , Southgate M.B., Middlesex, England

Gertrude M (May G) Jaye
DOB 19 Feb 1892
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Ambulance All In Hand ?
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 180
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Charles G Jaye
Robert D Limnell
Olivia M L Payton
Ref: RG101/0890H/014/03 Letter Code:
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There is one closed record on the above household


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That can't be her if the DOB is correct as she would only have been 15 when she married Arthur

Ah! She had knocked a few years off her age in 1939 (probably because Charles was much younger)

Gertrude May Jaye
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1886
Date of Registration: Feb 1984
Age at Death: 98
Registration district: Uckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 1503

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Middlegate Street, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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Samuel Porter Head Married Male 46 1845 Master Mariner Merchant Service West Indies
Jessie Porter Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Langley, Norfolk, England
Sidney R V Porter Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Lilian Jin Porter Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gertrude May Porter Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gerald S Porter Son Single Male 3 1888 - Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Welcome to the Community boards Dorothy.


(I'll let Dorothy know how to find her replies) :-)

Ladies and Gents -what stars you are! From being depressed about the whole process I am now totally invigorated. Will read through all the information supplied in more detail and respond on the specific questions you have asked.

I am enormously grateful and if I do finally unravel the whole story you will be the first to know.

Many, many thanks.
Dorothy x

So pleased you've come back Dorothy and we'll look forward to your comments when you have had time to digest the information found so far. With a wee bit of luck we should be able to help you unravel the mystery :-)

So pleased we could help, Dorothy - Do come back onto this thread if you need anything further and we will do our best to try to assist you.

Dea Xxx

Hello super team.

Update - and it is all thanks to you.

Have no idea why I had not considered that mum might have been married before but it seems that was the case. I believe mum was one of six (found so far) children of John and Josephine Crout.

I am still waiting for a huge batch of various certificates but the clincher is the birthplace of my grandfather (Scotland) and grandmother (Ireland) as stated on the 1911 census. Mum had talked about their relationship and said how it was extraordinary that a protestant from Scotland and a catholic from Ireland were so devoted to each other. I was beginning to think I had imagined all those conversations because I kept following the Steeden name and that indicated a very different heritage.

Interestingly, I can find no record of a divorce for mum and Walter Steeden. If that is so then her marriage to my dad was bigamous and we all know what that makes me!

Once I have more information will certainly share with you.

I had been hitting brick walls for ages and you now have me on the right track- thank you so much.

Dorothy x

John Crout
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Mar 1871
Birth Place: Central District,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Mother: Lillias Crout
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Lillias Crout
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 5 Jun 1874
Marriage Place: Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: Thomas Munro
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Crout Household (3 People)
38 Tyers Street , Lambeth, London, England

John Crout
DOB 23 May 1870
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Commissionaire (Retired)
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 10
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Joseph Wood
DOB 20 Nov 1904
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Labourer (Heavy Worker)
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 10
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Nora Patricia Wood
DOB 08 Dec 1908
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 10
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Perhaps they did divorce and the records haven't survived?

Could this be a remarriage for Walter?

Walter A Steeden
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Doris R Bushell Or Scudder
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 2714

????

Walter Sidney A P Steeden
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1907
Date of Registration: Aug 1988
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Surrey North-western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 653

I think they did divorce as Walter was claiming to be single in 1939


Steeden Household (2 People)
22 Ivydale Road , Camberwell, London, England

Walter A Steeden
DOB 03 Apr 1907
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Wood Packing Coal Maker
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 80
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Elizabeth Steeden
DOB 08 May 1860
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 80
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Deaths Jun 1930 (>99%)
Crout Josephine 54 Lambeth 1d 180

Not seeing a birth for Josephine in Ireland

rootgatherer

Many thanks for the very helpful additional information. I am so thrilled at the progress made this week and truly grateful for the help.

Dorothy x

Do keep us updated when the certs arrive. Must be lots more to find about your family.

Andy