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Mary

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This s my family

Hello again!

Promised I would update all you good people and this is the current state of play.

Have managed to trace mum's paternal family back to 1800 in Scotland and more work to do. No joy at all with the maternal side. My grandmother was born in Ireland in 1875 and her name was Josephine Berwise (father Michael, described as a farmer on grandmothers marriage certificate). None of the many sites I have dipped into have unearthed any information. If anyone has any suggestions to move that search on I would be most grateful.

No progress on the half brother but I am not giving up.

Still working on descendants of mum's siblings.

Thank you again for all your help.

Happy New Year to you all.

Dorothy

Glad you have now managed to get your Mum's birth certificate.

In 1881 your grandfather John is with his maternal grandmother. Haven't managed to spot his Mum with her husband Thomas Munro in 1881.

John Crout
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 64
Registration district: Fearn
Civil Parish: Fearn
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Hill Of Fearn
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 85
LINE: 13
Roll: cssct1881_16
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Crout 56
Catherine Crout 18
Rebecca Crout 16
Lauchlan Crout 10
John Crout 10

Good evening everyone.

Happy to report that I now have the certificates and can confirm that Mum was born Lilian Margaret Crout on the 26th September 1919. Mum married Walter Steeden in 1940. Both mum and Walter remarried in 1954 but I have been unable to trace a divorce record.

Have had no luck tracing the mystery half brother in either the Steeden married name or the Crout family name but I will keep trying.

Have traced marriages for all mum's siblings (all now deceased) and now plan to try and trace their offspring.

Granddad was a Lance Corporal in the Seaforth Highlanders and I have paid a small fee so their volunteer researchers to look for his service record.

Cannot tell you how much all this means to me - I have a sense of connection that I never had before and you set me on that road.

Will update you again if I manage to actually trace my cousins!

Thank you again.
Dorothy x

Do keep us updated when the certs arrive. Must be lots more to find about your family.

Andy

rootgatherer

Many thanks for the very helpful additional information. I am so thrilled at the progress made this week and truly grateful for the help.

Dorothy x

Deaths Jun 1930 (>99%)
Crout Josephine 54 Lambeth 1d 180

Not seeing a birth for Josephine in Ireland

I think they did divorce as Walter was claiming to be single in 1939


Steeden Household (2 People)
22 Ivydale Road , Camberwell, London, England

Walter A Steeden
DOB 03 Apr 1907
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Wood Packing Coal Maker
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 80
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Elizabeth Steeden
DOB 08 May 1860
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 80
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

????

Walter Sidney A P Steeden
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1907
Date of Registration: Aug 1988
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Surrey North-western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 653

Perhaps they did divorce and the records haven't survived?

Could this be a remarriage for Walter?

Walter A Steeden
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Doris R Bushell Or Scudder
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 2714

Crout Household (3 People)
38 Tyers Street , Lambeth, London, England

John Crout
DOB 23 May 1870
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Commissionaire (Retired)
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 10
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Joseph Wood
DOB 20 Nov 1904
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Labourer (Heavy Worker)
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 10
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Nora Patricia Wood
DOB 08 Dec 1908
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 10
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Lillias Crout
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 5 Jun 1874
Marriage Place: Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: Thomas Munro
FHL Film Number: 6035516

John Crout
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Mar 1871
Birth Place: Central District,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Mother: Lillias Crout
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Hello super team.

Update - and it is all thanks to you.

Have no idea why I had not considered that mum might have been married before but it seems that was the case. I believe mum was one of six (found so far) children of John and Josephine Crout.

I am still waiting for a huge batch of various certificates but the clincher is the birthplace of my grandfather (Scotland) and grandmother (Ireland) as stated on the 1911 census. Mum had talked about their relationship and said how it was extraordinary that a protestant from Scotland and a catholic from Ireland were so devoted to each other. I was beginning to think I had imagined all those conversations because I kept following the Steeden name and that indicated a very different heritage.

Interestingly, I can find no record of a divorce for mum and Walter Steeden. If that is so then her marriage to my dad was bigamous and we all know what that makes me!

Once I have more information will certainly share with you.

I had been hitting brick walls for ages and you now have me on the right track- thank you so much.

Dorothy x

So pleased we could help, Dorothy - Do come back onto this thread if you need anything further and we will do our best to try to assist you.

Dea Xxx

So pleased you've come back Dorothy and we'll look forward to your comments when you have had time to digest the information found so far. With a wee bit of luck we should be able to help you unravel the mystery :-)

Ladies and Gents -what stars you are! From being depressed about the whole process I am now totally invigorated. Will read through all the information supplied in more detail and respond on the specific questions you have asked.

I am enormously grateful and if I do finally unravel the whole story you will be the first to know.

Many, many thanks.
Dorothy x

Welcome to the Community boards Dorothy.


(I'll let Dorothy know how to find her replies) :-)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Middlegate Street, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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Samuel Porter Head Married Male 46 1845 Master Mariner Merchant Service West Indies
Jessie Porter Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Langley, Norfolk, England
Sidney R V Porter Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Lilian Jin Porter Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gertrude May Porter Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gerald S Porter Son Single Male 3 1888 - Yarmouth, Norfolk, England